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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:14:05 -0600
From: DJ Sun <djsun@wl.net>
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To: philipm@isd.canberra.edu.au
Subject: Re: Jungle as breakbeat
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The operative term: "imagined", ....it was implied that Roni Size Reprazent did
not deliver the "jazz" that we understand today to be jazz. Perhaps I left it a
bit vague: I don't think that New Forms is a jazz record. I also included in my
assumption that they "imagined" to have a "jazz" record by bringing up the fact
that they named one of their tunes "Jazz". Its merely an assumption though, for
all I know they had no intentions of making a "jazz" record. But then again I
was merely making a point toward the development of jungle and not necessarily
whether the instruments used contributed to making a "jazz" record. But maybe
that was lost. Perhaps my improper use of tenses: "imagined" and "comes
closer"...
> > Along comes Roni Size Reprazent which goes against the norm and makes
> > something they imagined comes closer to "jazz"... (witness the use of live
> > bass, and other live instrumentation, and even a track called "Jazz").
> > However, Roni himself admits that he doesn't know or write music and that
> > he is more in tune with what the underground jungle followers want to hear
> > as the genre progresses (I'm paraphrasing here, but check out SNC and URB
> > for quotes).
>
> hmm well sorry again but jazz, like any music, is about a feeling, not
> about the instruments you use.
> > I personally find New Forms very interesting and I like it. From a purely
> > musical standpoint (and I'm not a technical expert) its probably lacking a
> > bit and somewhat repetitious, but the way I use the music is in creating
> > new sounds anyway by mixing and cutting the tracks with others, does not
> > require it to be overly complex. So in essence the music is more like
> > "intelligent breakbeat" to me.
>
> well i find it pretty uninspired throughout...like others on the
> list..so i hope its not just my personal taste.
>
You can't "wish away" personal taste. It IS one's personal taste that determines
whether one likes something or not. Getting a concensus has nothing to do with
it. I could not agree with your statement of the release being "uninspired"
but that's because of my personal taste and whether others find the same, has an
effect on my thinking, but it doesn't change it. I might say something like
"wow, maybe I missed something", but the fact that upon first listen I thought it
to be "interesting" is a factor of my personal taste...
I'll reiterate: Its "interesting" for the purposes for which I use it.
PEACE!
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