Re: The Machines Rule (was: Re: Damn The Machines!!!!)

From: Elson Trinidad (elson@westworld.com)
Date: Sun Nov 26 2000 - 09:22:23 CET

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    At 09:56 PM 11/25/00 -0700, Steve Catanzaro wrote:
    >Hey Elson!
    >
    >re: 7-8 guys being a pain in the a** to work with. Well, look at the
    >Beatles, as a perfect example.

    True, but the Beatles were a rock band. You can't play rock all by yourself.

    >Even though doing it yourself can be fun, (I'm talking music making, here),
    >it seems to me the emphasis on the one-man producer-musician takes some of
    >the interaction (i.e. chemistry) out of it. This seems especially true with
    >jazz. In fact, Ellington was the master at getting individuals to relate
    >together in a group setting.

    True, and like I said, that's a positive aspect of musicians interacting
    together.
    But my point was, there are lots of negative aspects.

    >As for retro vs. the future. Yeah, I think looking back, ala the Acid Jazz
    >movement, may in fact be dead... but, I wonder if the real problems lie in
    >the fact that there just aren't alot of real creative musicians playing
    >instruments other than sampler right now. Is learning saxophone, or piano,
    >etc., a dead end these days?

    I think the sad thing about the whole "Retro" movement was that all the
    creative energy was forced into painstakingly recreating something
    originally created two decades ago, rather than doing something new...so if
    someone found a cool and revolutionary new way to play a sax, or a flute or
    a piano, more power to them...but no one did.

    Don't get me wrong, I liked some of the retro stuff, but no one figured out
    how to get it beyond the novelty phase.

    >BTW, isn't it wierd that so many "categories" of music are defined solely by
    >the rhythm programming alone? (2-Step, Happy Hardcore, Garage,
    >blahblahblah.) It's as if the programming has transcended all else; melody,
    >harmony, etc.

    Well, that's the deciding factor -- there *are* examples of electronica out
    there that go beyond just the rhythm programing and do contain melody,
    harmony, etc.
    That's what separates the quality stuff from the crap.
    And don't get me wrong, there's *lots* of electronica that's pure crap. But
    that's the fault of the producer/programmer, and not the fault of the genre
    or technology.
     

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