Contrary to the way the post might read, I do actually agree with you guys (Was:RE: + CDr Trades +)

From: Kennedy, Liam (Liam.Kennedy@daff.irlgov.ie)
Date: Mon Feb 26 2001 - 11:59:24 CET

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    Argh! A friend of mine and myself decided to trade tapes (remember those;-).
    We were in a pub and had a few by that stage, we couldn't help it, the
    alcohol just kinda blurred our moral reasoning. I'll have to ring him and
    tell him to forget our deal, ala Bob De Nero in Heat (dead telephone scene)
    or plea bargain with the good folks at FACT (Federation Against Copyright
    Theft) and join their Friend Snitcher Relocation Programme.

    They've got Napster, how long before they finally march to the heartland and
    blitzkrieg Pubster?

    Willy
    Finally downloaded a couple of Goblin tracks after the above incident took
    place, tee hee hee! Take that! Music industry;-)
     
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    > From: Gen Kanai[SMTP:gkanai@earthlink.net]
    > Sent: 26 February 2001 01:38
    > To: acid
    > Cc: Leslie N. Shill
    > Subject: Re: + CDr Trades +
    >
    > Amen, Leslie! Couldn't have said it better myself.
    >
    > It's obvious if you go back to the list archives there's really only one
    > person who continually asks for trades on this list (not to mention
    > cross-posting to about 5 other lists at the same time.)
    >
    > Many of us spend a lot of money every month for new music. How much one
    > spends per month has NO BEARING whatsoever on the immorality of trading
    > commercial releases (i.e. not concert/live recordings.)
    >
    > In many ways, pirating underground dance music (much of what we talk about
    >
    > on this list) is much more harmful to the overall health of the music
    > market than pirating the new Madonna or Ricky Martin single/CD. The
    > popular producers and artists have a measure of success and can withstand
    > a
    > certain amount of pirating (and there's certainly a lot of it) because
    > they
    > can make it up in volume and can draw in large profits from their live
    > tours.
    >
    > Obviously, pirating underground dance music hurts those artists much more
    > because they don't see the volume of the pop stars and don't make the
    > profits touring that pop stars do. It's kind of cutting off your nose to
    > spite your face - or sacrificing the long-term viability of the artists
    > you're pirating because they won't see any profits from you and all the
    > other pirates.
    >
    > On a purely economic level, don't forget to take into account the time and
    >
    > money people put into pirating (at the individual level, not talking about
    >
    > large-scale pirating schemes) probably equals the money it would take to
    > buy the commercial release; (how much do you value an hour's worth of your
    >
    > time it takes to buy a CD-R, burn a CD, package it, postage it, bring it
    > to
    > the post office, etc.) I personally value my time and effort a lot more
    > than it would take to find a person to trade with and make that trade
    > happen. My economics tell me that it's cheaper to spend my money in the
    > store than it would be to spend my weekend burning CD-Rs to trade - but
    > that's because I value my time a lot more than pirates do.
    >
    > Pirates should go to usenet or irc to chat with their kind. That's where
    > all the significant pirating happens anyway.
    >
    > Sick and tired of trading requests and the motivations behind it,
    >
    > Gen
    >
    > At 12:27 PM 2/25/01 -0800, Leslie N. Shill wrote:
    > >it is important to
    > >me to support as many artists as i can by actually buying their discs. By
    > >buying the discs i am making my own small contribution to the well-being
    > of
    > >the artists, independent music and to the creative process, i think that
    > is
    > >more important than the ultimate size and scope of my own personal
    > >collection of discs.
    >
    >
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