Re: Ninja Tune/Shadow records cash-in controversy

From: Steve Silvers (steve@seattlegroove.com)
Date: Fri Jan 12 2001 - 20:00:26 CET

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    Last I checked, Instinct owned Shadow

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Scott A Hunt" <scott@kendev.com>
    To: "Steve Silvers" <steve@seattlegroove.com>; "Nathaniel Rahav"
    <nat@rhythmlove.com>; "Joe Rice" <joe@justiceleague.com>
    Cc: <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 10:52 AM
    Subject: Re: Ninja Tune/Shadow records cash-in controversy

    > this brings up another good point....
    >
    > Instinct, which I believe was a completely separate entity from Shadow,
    > introduced me to Compost Records (ala their domestically releasing of
    > Compost's Future Sound of Jazz comps). This opened the floodgates to so
    > much great music from that label (Beanfield being another personal fav)
    >
    > Scotty
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Steve Silvers" <steve@seattlegroove.com>
    > To: "Scott A Hunt" <scott@kendev.com>; "Nathaniel Rahav"
    > <nat@rhythmlove.com>; "Joe Rice" <joe@justiceleague.com>
    > Cc: <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 1:28 PM
    > Subject: Re: Ninja Tune/Shadow records cash-in controversy
    >
    >
    > > True enough, though they did introduce me to Ninja Tune and DJ Krush, so
    I
    > > can't hate them
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Scott A Hunt" <scott@kendev.com>
    > > To: "Nathaniel Rahav" <nat@rhythmlove.com>; "Joe Rice"
    > > <joe@justiceleague.com>
    > > Cc: <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    > > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 8:50 AM
    > > Subject: Re: Ninja Tune/Shadow records cash-in controversy
    > >
    > >
    > > > Shadow records only shining moment was Sharpshooters "Choked Up." a
    > > > personal all time jazz hip hop fav. and still well worth pickin
    up.....
    > > >
    > > > cheers,
    > > >
    > > > scotty
    > > >
    > > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > > From: "Nathaniel Rahav" <nat@rhythmlove.com>
    > > > To: "Joe Rice" <joe@justiceleague.com>
    > > > Cc: <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    > > > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 11:02 AM
    > > > Subject: Re: Ninja Tune/Shadow records cash-in controversy
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Shadow records always seemed to be operating under shady
    > circumstances,
    > > > > even from the get go.
    > > > > This was apparent from their super cheezy acid jazz compilations....
    > > > > Weren't they Instinct Records before that?
    > > > > Or is that just another sketchy label that put out mediocre comps?
    > > > >
    > > > > anyway, thanks for the info, it's good to know.
    > > > >
    > > > > Nat
    > > > >
    > > > > P.s. Re: jazz beginnings - I had a drumming teacher who used to make
    > me
    > > > > play along to old Buddy Rich records, and I would do it half
    > heartedly,
    > > > > until one day I heard some jazz on WKCR 89.9 and it 'clicked'. I
    dont
    > > > > remember who it was that I heard, but I suddenly understood the
    > > > > significance of swinging...
    > > > > anyway my first jazz album was Kind Of Blue, by far one of the
    > greatest
    > > > > works of music of the 20th century....
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Joe Rice wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > FYI...
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Joe
    > > > > > ------
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 1/11/00
    > > > > > FROM NINJA TUNE BY WAY OF MOTORMOUTH
    > > > > > Contact: Brock Phillips (bmotor@pacbell.net), Judy Miller
    > > > > > (wigbox@pacbell.net) or Jeff Waye (jeff@ninjatune.net)
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > URGENT PRESS RELEASE
    > > > > >
    > > > > > It has come to our attention that Instinct/Shadow Records is
    > currently
    > > > > > soliciting a compilation entitled "Ninja Tune : The Shadow Years"
    > for
    > > > > > release on January 23rd. This release is in no way approved by
    Ninja
    > > > Tune.
    > > > > > Shadow Records acted as a licensee of Ninja Tune material in the
    US
    > > many
    > > > > > years ago. In the short-time of the deal they released a few of
    our
    > > > early
    > > > > > titles. This deal ended in 1996 and since then they've felt the
    need
    > > to
    > > > > > continue repackaging what little amount of our catalog they still
    > own.
    > > > We
    > > > > > feel this is nothing more than a shameless way to cash in on our
    > 10th
    > > > > > Anniversary Campaign of late last year, and the subsequent
    > > > release/success
    > > > > > of the 3CD "Xen Cuts" box set we released. In their onesheet/press
    > > > release
    > > > > > for this record they state "This incredibly low-priced double CD
    set
    > > is
    > > > the
    > > > > > best way for new Ninja fans to be introduced to the label". We
    feel
    > > this
    > > > is
    > > > > > untrue and that our 3CD box-set (also "incredibly low priced") is
    in
    > > > fact
    > > > > > the best way to introduce people to the label. "Ninja Tune : The
    > > Shadow
    > > > > > Years" offers absolutely nothing new, nothing exclusive, and
    nothing
    > > > that
    > > > > > even a passing Ninja fan hasn't already heard on our early
    releases
    > or
    > > > the
    > > > > > endless stream of compilations put out by Shadow Records. Simply
    put
    > > we
    > > > feel
    > > > > > this cheapens the Ninja name, makes us look like a "compilation
    > > label",
    > > > and
    > > > > > it should not be considered a proper Ninja Tune release in any
    way.
    > > Stay
    > > > > > tuned for more great "new" records on Ninja Tune.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > More info, gripes, etc... contact Jeff Waye at jeff@ninjatune.net
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > >
    >



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