RE: hip hop top 10 / in my case

From: helen szirtes (hszirtes@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Jul 11 2001 - 11:13:20 CEST

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    Not wishing to harp on the hip hop theme, but here's a
    little further clarification:

    hip hop is a word that describes an essentially
    African American street culture that developed in the
    1970s and which compromises several distinct
    components: djing (as in the rise of djs and artists
    and technicians, rapping (as in speaking rhythmically
    over a beat), breakdancing and graffiti writing
    (although graffiti as an art form had been around for
    some time previous). Out of this culture came a music,
    also called hip hop, which itself may have distinct
    styles. The separate components of hip hop culture can
    be borrowed and used in other styles and forms - hence
    rap (which I see as a musical method rather than a
    musical style), can be found used in the most unlikely
    (some would say unsuitable) places.

    If anyone is curious about how to define musical
    styles, I suggest they take a peek at artistdirect.com
    and browse the many hundreds of genres they have
    there, most of which come with a little definition
    which may not always be 100% accurate, but is
    interesting at any rate.

     

    --- "Szirtes, Thomas" <SzirtesT@soe.sega.co.uk> wrote:
    > I disagree my way of looking at it is like this:
    >
    > rap = is process of putting speech in a rhythmic
    > sense over music
    > hip-hop = is a musical style, typically between
    > 70-100bpm, usually with
    > syncopated bassdrum patterns.
    >
    > Therefore rap-music can cover any kind of rubbish -
    > rap over pop/funk (ie.
    > p. diddy/w. smith),
    > rap over r&b or metal.
    >
    > Personally I love hip-hop - but for me Puff Daddy is
    > not a hip-hop artist,
    > simply because
    > the music he raps over is not recognisably in the
    > hip-hop genre. On the
    > other hand Snopp Dogg and other Death Row or Dre
    > productions are quite
    > recognisably hip-hop.
    >
    > Anyway I agree with the discenting voices - I love
    > hip-hop but this is an
    > "Acid Jazz" list (whatever that means!).
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Beau Young [mailto:bjy07@hotmail.com]
    > Sent: 11 July 2001 06:53
    > To: kgoodale@stic.net
    > Cc: acid-jazz@ucsd.edu
    > Subject: Re: hip hop top 10 / in my case
    >
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    > >From: "Keith Goodale" I was wondering what the
    > >distinction is between hip hop and rap. I noticed
    > that several artists fall
    >
    > >into both categories and I would like to know how
    > to distinguish between
    > the
    > >two. Thanks for any information.
    > >
    >
    > >Keith Goodale
    >
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    >
    > oooh, this is a good one. in my mind rap IS hip
    > hop... rap is like a
    > sub-genre of hip hop and also a sub-genre of funk
    > and soul which are the
    > main elements of "rap", production wise. Rap
    > usually refers to hip hop with
    > a more gangster feel to it. Hip hop (as mentioned
    > so far in this group)
    > tends to be more mental while rap is more often
    > emotional, extremely funky
    > and often violent or rude. Some quality rap artists
    > include Scarface, Ice
    > Cube, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, and Master P. The lyrics
    > mostly focus on
    > partying, women, smoking, drinking, money and street
    > conflicts. The sound is
    > heavy heavy funk and 60's, 70's soul music, oh and
    > super heavy on the bass.
    > This is not *at all* to say 'rap' music can not be
    > mental... anyone who is
    > familiar with scarface, earlier stuff by ice cube
    > and early Outkast knows
    > the two are compatible... .its just matter of what
    > the individual hip hop
    > artists has! been exposed to. Hope that helps some.
    >
    >
    > Beau J Young
    >
    > >----- Original Message -----
    >
    > >From: Patrik Hamberg
    > >To:
    > >Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 1:26 AM
    > >Subject: hip hop top 10 / in my case
    > >
    > >
    > >since I love lists and have been reading all of
    > yours with great
    > >pleasure the last couple of days, here's my hip hop
    > top 10:
    > >
    > >1. Public Enemy "It takes a nation of millions to
    > hold us back"
    > >2. Beastie Boys "Check Your Head"
    > >3. N.W.A. "Straight Outta Compton"
    > >4. Dr Dre "The Chronic"
    > >5. Wu-Tang Clan "36 Chambers"
    > >6. Gang Starr "Moment of Truth"
    > >7. Fugees "The Score"
    > >8. De La Soul "...is Dead"
    > >9. Ice Cube "The Predator"
    > >0. 2Pac "All Eyeys on Me"
    > >
    > >And ten that could have made it to the top ten:
    > >
    > >Run DMC "Raising Hell"
    > >A Tribe Called Quest "The Love Movement"
    > >Jurassic 5 "LP"
    > >Warren G "Regulate... G-Funk Era"
    > >Mos Def "Black on Both Sides"
    > >Missy Misdemeneaor Elliott "Supa Dupa Fly"
    > >The Roots "Come Alive"
    > >Common "Like Water for Chocolate"
    > >Lil Kim "Notorious Kim"
    > >MOP "Warriorz"
    > >
    > >In my CD case (24 slots):
    > >
    > >1. Case "Open Letter"
    > >2. Ky-Mani Marley "Many More Roads"
    > >3. Lil Mo "Based on a true story"
    > >4. Empty
    > >5. Empty
    > >6. Empty
    > >7. CMJ New Music May 2001
    > >8. Empty
    > >9. Empty
    > >10. Empty
    > >11. Empty
    > >12. Empty
    > >13. Empty
    > >14. Empty
    > >15. Fre "Välkommen till Fre"
    > >16. The Barbwires "...Sounds Like Trouble"
    > >17. The Peepshows "Tomorrow We Die... Today We
    > Kill"
    > >18. Ugly Duckling "Journey to Anywhere"
    > >19. The Stooges "Fun House"
    > >20. Michael Franti & Spearhead "Stay Human"
    > >21. Urga "Urgasm"
    > >22. Talib Kweli & Hi-Tek "Reflection Eternal"
    > >23. Mos Def & Talib Kweli are Black Star
    > >24. Fint Tillsammans "En Världsomsegling"
    > >--
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