Re: This Music & Race

From: Jonathan Ashley (jon@oblivion.accessus.net)
Date: Sat Mar 31 2001 - 20:35:35 CEST

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    On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, B. Young wrote:

    > I'd like to get something off my chest. I had a conversation recently with
    > my brother who i havent heard from in a long time. I was talking to him
    > about the music I'm playing and he says... "well, I know some white boys
    > that might be interested". I was immediately offended and jumped all over
    > him saying "these are black artists, black people developed this shit!". He
    > was fully surprise as I ran out the mouth about techno, house, acid jazz,
    > drum n bass and how a good majority of the originators and producers of
    > electronic music were/are black. He then apologized and said "well now i
    > know".
    Interesting.

    > A LOT of people I know consider this stuff "white" music and can't conceive
    > of black people making anything except hip hop or r&b. I've had this
    > conversation with at least a dozen people. People are always surprised as I
    > run down the list of all the black artists that create electronic music.
    > It's like the only black music in there heads is hip hop, r&b, and then jazz
    > is for old people. Don't get me wrong, I do know people who aren't ignorant
    > on this subject, but the majority of people are.
    >
    > At what point has this music been considered by the masses to be "white"?...
    It was considered to be that way when all of the faces (the djs and
    producers who did not shun anonymous stardom) became white. Like Moby, or
    Fatboy Slim, or the Chemical Brothers.

    I agree with you though. It is very sad that Roni Size or Derrick May
    can't be played on urban radio. But I think the greater crime is that
    radio, and culture, here in the STates is so segregated.

    I'm black and again I agree with you on how hard it is sometimes to turn
    people's pre-conceived notions about what type of music this is over. But
    once they hear it it's alright I think.

    What do you think about white ravers who hear the stuff and don't realize
    that it is black though?

    > As i browse my collection it just so happens that 80% of it or more is by
    > various peoples of color from around the world. I didnt consiously plan it
    > that way. I don't care what race these guys are (well, I guess it does make
    > me feel more proud of my collection now that I realize most of these guys
    > are of color). My question is when did this music become "white" music.
    > And do the masses in other countries think the same way? Why the hell do
    > black people equate electronic music with white people?

    Again I don't think it's just black people. That came out kinda wrong
    from you? I think it's the image from the media that helps that out. A
    further question is why do people assume rock n' roll music with white
    people?

    >Before anybody jumps
    > to conclusions, I am not ignoring the contributions white people have made
    > to this music... some of the best artists around are white. I'm just really
    > tired of people calling it "white music". Whats up with that? And finally,
    > there is a huge amount of electronic music circulating that i'm completely
    > unaware of... is most of it in fact created by white people?



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