RE: [acid-jazz] tool requests was 21st Century

From: Dan (dzacks@po-box.mcgill.ca)
Date: Fri Aug 30 2002 - 01:01:51 CEST

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    Perhaps you would be surprised to know that much on the Sugarhill label is
    considered a form of disco. Trouble Funk's "Drop the Bomb", for example, is
    most certainly a work of disco-funk. And where do you think so many of
    early hiphop samples come from? To the quote the Furious Five, it's nothing
    without the 'disco fluid'. Again, I suggest that you merely write without
    appreciating the true importance of disco. The massive influence of T.K.
    label style arrangements from the late seventies is abundantly apparent on
    more recent music, Faze Action for example. More to the point, the very
    notion of producing a record primarily for a dancefloor is product of disco.
    You are right to dismiss pop disco (although Chic was much revered by the
    Clash) but you cannot dismiss disco without undermining contemporary dance
    music culture.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Stimp [mailto:stimp@aei.ca]
    Sent: August 28, 2002 11:30 PM
    To: acid-jazz@ucsd.edu
    Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] tool requests was 21st Century

        Y'know, I'm with Pace on this one; it seems that everyone sees even the
    worst musical travesties with rose colored glasses once they age a few
    decades. Disco had its revival, with the requisite weaned-on-radio fans
    trumpeting the genius of Gloria Gaynor and Donna Summer. Now, the 80's are
    experiencing a bit of a revival, and Kajagoogoo are being spoken of with
    reverence. Fuck it, it sucked then, it still sucks now.

        There was ALWAYS a difference between what P-Funk and KC and the
    Sunshine were doing, between what Elvis Costello and A Flock of Seagulls
    did, and there always will be. That's why the greats still record and tour,
    while the others get put on a show with William Shatner singing their
    praises. DJ's looking for great old-skool beats are far more likely to find
    them on a Rufus or Graham Central Station record than they are on a Teena
    Marie K-Tel extravaganza.

        Frankly, I'm surprised that anyone on this list would even mention most
    disco the viable musical choice of that era when there's TONS of great
    Hip-Hop (Grandmaster Flash, Kurtis Blow, Sugarhill gang,etc... you all know
    'em) and Punk rock acts whose musical influence is still being felt 30 years
    later. Who'd KC or Teena Marie ever inluence? Sure, it's not all bad, but
    most of it sucked ass and put musicians out of business. I ain't with that.
    Throwaway music is just that, no matter how old it is. If not, I've got a
    pile of Glen Miller and Pat Boone records I wanna sell you......

    Stimp
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Wm. ERROL PACE" <wm_errol_pace@hotmail.com>
    To: <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:55 PM
    Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] tool requests was 21st Century

    >
    >
    >
    > >I dunno, it doesn't seem that far fetched. When I saw DJ
    > >Z-Trip, he spun a pretty eclectic but mostly hip hop and
    > >funk set... AND he dropped AC/DC's "Back in Black", doubled
    > >it up and did a bit of a beat juggle on that
    > >ever-so-recogizable guitar riff.
    >
    > Ah Hah!!! Variety, the Spice of Life. I'll take DJ Krush's Code 4019's
    > "Final Home" and then Led Zeppelin's "When the Levee Breaks" from Zofo.
    Now
    > that would be friggin' Good to Go, Funk doesn't just exist where one
    thinks
    > it would!!! Then The Cure "Fascination Street" into their version of Jimi
    > Hendrix "Purple Haze" from the Stone Free Tribute. Then bust into some
    The
    > Grassy Knoll top it off with Billy Idol/Steve Stevens "Flesh for Fantasy"
    > extended oh yeah add in Nils Petter Molvaer's "Khmer" now that would be
    > nice. I'll take my Acid Downtempo with a Double Shot of Rock!!!
    >
    > Then, if memory serves, he
    > >let in with an accapella of a Christina Aguilera track, of
    > >all things. The crowd loved it. Not so completely out of
    > >place as you might expect.
    >
    > I feel much better now, hopefully I am not condemned to 1977 Polyester
    Hell.
    > I think folks re missing a point I was making as well. Growing up
    during
    > the 70's really sucked in my area here in South Carolina. Closed Minded,
    > the Disco-phile were militantly close minded. Me? Close Minded? I like
    to
    > say I'm selective. I know what I like and what I don't but then again
    still
    > being here in South Carolina one doesn't get the full exposure to a wide
    > variety of music like in major metropolitan areas. I detested having
    Disco
    > pushed in my face when I was younger and I'm sure those folks detested
    > having what I liked having shoved in their faces as well. Once again it
    > comes around to variety is the Spice of Life.
    >
    > Maybe I was misunderstood a little but the Peace Pipe goes out to one and
    > all who got bent.
    >
    > Semper Motociclismo,
    >
    > Pace'
    >
    > >
    > >--- t-bird <djtbird1@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > > > i think you guys are totally missing the point of what
    > > > michael was trying to get across. it's not so much
    > > > about tool in the absolute, but relative to what he
    > > > was playing--funk or house. i own and love ac/dc's
    > > > "back in black", but you'd be hard pressed to find it
    > > > in my record box when i'm playing funk, or electronic
    > > > music. it's just completely out of place.
    > > > > -t
    > >Marco Pringle, host of
    > >the Fat Beat Diet - Thursday evenings, 10:30-Midnight
    > >CJSW 90.9FM (Calgary) - in real audio at:
    > >http://www.cjsw.com
    > >
    > >Hit you with the funk/It's like, who cut the provalone?
    > > - Blackalicious
    >
    >
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