Re: Negative music.../ Positive Solutions

From: Lynne d Johnson (ldj00@earthlink.net)
Date: Thu May 30 2002 - 13:51:48 CEST

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    good points steve
    very good points
    all the people you have mentioned
    it has been about image for the artist
    and i agree on that point
    and don't get me wrong on this negative vs positive thing
    i have nothing against commercial music
    i don't even have anything against people who like commercial music
    or even so called negative lyrics
    or music that doesn't push the envelope
    i guess i was speaking more about listeners extending themselves
    being open to something new and different
    things they haven't heard before

    when i go out and hear a dj play in NYC
    i'd rather go hear a qool marv or bobbito or spinna
    b/c i know i am not going to get what i get on the radio
    if i am only hearing radio music when i go out, what is the point of of
    going out?
    i want to learn about music
    i want to hear zero 7, jazzanova, et. al.
    i want to hear classics i never heard before
    like the originals that are sampled in today's hip-hop and house and even
    what we are calling acid jazz
    b/c i do not hear these artists or these sounds on the radio

    whenever i go to a lounge or a club
    and i see people bothering the dj all night with requests to play the latest
    hottest shit
    it kind of pisses me off
    the dj was paid to do his/her thing
    to bring his/her musical journey to set the ambiance of the spot
    and folks should just let djs do their job
    they can always go somewhere else if they don't like what the dj is playing

    i think that's it
    peace
    lynne

    From: "Steven Catanzaro" <stevencatanzaro@sprintmail.com>
    Reply-To: "Steven Catanzaro" <stevencatanzaro@sprintmail.com>
    Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:36:55 -0700
    To: "Lynne d Johnson" <ldj00@earthlink.net>, "ACIDJAZZ" <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    Subject: Re: Negative music.../ Positive Solutions

    > that ashanti outsold tweet and celine is amazing
    > and not that i think the other two are so great
    > her debut just really showed me something about the average music listener

    Hey but Lynne, what does it tell ya, other than that the average music
    listener doesn't care much for the technical art of singing. Nothing new in
    that. If records were judged by the technical skill of the singer, where
    would Bob Dylan be? Where would Billie Holiday be? As far as lyrics, I don't
    think Tweet or Celine are making Joni Mitchell stay up late sweating her
    next turn of phrase.

    > do you really call what she is doing singing?
    > can so do what whitney, jill, or mary can do?
    > the girl's success rides off of her connection to ja rule and his camp..

    But people can, and did, say the same exact thing about Janet Jackson when
    she started making records, even back before Control. I bet we both know
    MANY singers who could've rocked "Let's Wait A While" or "What Have You Done
    For Me Lately" but Janet's the one. Yet who hates Janet now? If anyone does,
    she's got 80 million ways to refute their opinions...

    As for staying power. I distinctly remember the buzz around Cindy Lauper and
    Madonna, back in about '85. Madonna was using sex to sell, while Cindy
    Lauper was a "serious" artist who had her song covered by Miles Davis. All
    the "smart money" was on Madonna to be a one hit wonder and Lauper to ascend
    to the heights.

    So much for the smart money.

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    good points steve<BR>
    very good points<BR>
    all the people you have mentioned<BR>
    it has been about image for the artist<BR>
    and i agree on that point<BR>
    and don't get me wrong on this negative vs positive thing<BR>
    i have nothing against commercial music<BR>
    i don't even have anything against people who like commercial music<BR>
    or even so called negative lyrics<BR>
    or music that doesn't push the envelope<BR>
    i guess i was speaking more about listeners extending themselves<BR>
    being open to something new and different<BR>
    things they haven't heard before<BR>
    <BR>
    when i go out and hear a dj play in NYC<BR>
    i'd rather go hear a qool marv or bobbito or spinna<BR>
    b/c i know i am not going to get what i get on the radio<BR>
    if i am only hearing radio music when i go out, what is the point of of goi=
    ng out?<BR>
    i want to learn about music <BR>
    i want to hear zero 7, jazzanova, et. al.<BR>
    i want to hear classics i never heard before<BR>
    like the originals that are sampled in today's hip-hop and house and even w=
    hat we are calling acid jazz<BR>
    b/c i do not hear these artists or these sounds on the radio<BR>
    <BR>
    whenever i go to a lounge or a club<BR>
    and i see people bothering the dj all night with requests to play the lates=
    t hottest shit<BR>
    it kind of pisses me off<BR>
    the dj was paid to do his/her thing<BR>
    to bring his/her musical journey to set the ambiance of the spot<BR>
    and folks should just let djs do their job<BR>
    they can always go somewhere else if they don't like what the dj is playing=
    <BR>
    <BR>
    i think that's it<BR>
    peace<BR>
    lynne<BR>
    <BR>
    <BR>
    <BR>
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    <B>From: </B>&quot;Steven Catanzaro&quot; &lt;stevencatanzaro@sprintmail.co=
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    <B>Reply-To: </B>&quot;Steven Catanzaro&quot; &lt;stevencatanzaro@sprintmai=
    l.com&gt;<BR>
    <B>Date: </B>Wed, 29 May 2002 22:36:55 -0700<BR>
    <B>To: </B>&quot;Lynne d Johnson&quot; &lt;ldj00@earthlink.net&gt;, &quot;A=
    CIDJAZZ&quot; &lt;acid-jazz@ucsd.edu&gt;<BR>
    <B>Subject: </B>Re: Negative music.../ Positive Solutions<BR>
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>&gt; that ashanti outsold tweet and celine is amazing<BR>
    &gt; and not that i think the other two are so great<BR>
    &gt; her debut just really showed me something about the average music list=
    ener<BR>
    <BR>
    Hey but Lynne, what does it tell ya, other than that the average music<BR>
    listener doesn't care much for the technical art of singing. Nothing new in=
    <BR>
    that. If records were judged by the technical skill of the singer, where<BR=
    >
    would Bob Dylan be? Where would Billie Holiday be? As far as lyrics, I don'=
    t<BR>
    think Tweet or Celine are making Joni Mitchell stay up late sweating her<BR=
    >
    next turn of phrase.<BR>
    <BR>
    <BR>
    &gt; do you really call what she is doing singing?<BR>
    &gt; can so do what whitney, jill, or mary can do?<BR>
    &gt; the girl's success rides off of her connection to ja rule and his camp=
    ..<BR>
    <BR>
    But people can, and did, say the same exact thing about Janet Jackson when<=
    BR>
    she started making records, even back before Control. I bet we both know<BR=
    >
    MANY singers who could've rocked &quot;Let's Wait A While&quot; or &quot;Wh=
    at Have You Done<BR>
    For Me Lately&quot; but Janet's the one. Yet who hates Janet now? If anyone=
     does,<BR>
    she's got 80 million ways to refute their opinions...<BR>
    <BR>
    As for staying power. I distinctly remember the buzz around Cindy Lauper an=
    d<BR>
    Madonna, back in about '85. Madonna was using sex to sell, while Cindy<BR>
    Lauper was a &quot;serious&quot; artist who had her song covered by Miles D=
    avis. &nbsp;All<BR>
    the &quot;smart money&quot; was on Madonna to be a one hit wonder and Laupe=
    r to ascend<BR>
    to the heights.<BR>
    <BR>
    So much for the smart money.<BR>
    <BR>
    <BR>
    <BR>
    <BR>
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