Re: Jungle, Roni Size, History and Jazz

Bijan Pesaran
Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:39:25 -0800 (PST)


> I like the discussion about all these things. And I agree with all
> postings from Philip. He wrote, the Roni Size Represenz is BORING. A
> friend has given me the album for a few days. BORING is exactly the same,
> what I have think hearing it for the first time (Ok, not at all, there are
> some very nice tracks too). But IMHO the whole jungle thing is getting
> boring these days.

Well, we are still waiting to hear from Philip what breakbeat tracks
he doesn't find boring and crap. I for one would be very interested to
hear where he thinks it's "at".

> Yes, let us look back in time. When I have heard the first jungle tracks,
> they have kicked my ass real hard. There were those old funk grooves at
> double speed and those evil deep basses. I loved it from the beginning.

I can name a bunch of tracks with really deep funky grooves the bust
my ass every time I hear them, double speed, basslines and all:

DJ Red "Enta the Dragon"
D'Cruze "The Funk"
EPS 2 Vibe "Hype the Funk"
Da Demolition "??"
Scorpio "Li Li"
U.F.O "planet plan" dj die rmx
B-JAM "funkula 97" remix
Nu Yorican Soul "It's Alright" Roni Size Rmx
yadda yadda yadda

You don't like these tracks? Played out they are the shit. As are
a million other tracks out right now. I can't understand where you
are coming from. Is New Forms all you have listened to??

> Then came the time where the producers began to suspend all funky
> elements. The grooves became simple and boring. The funkiness and
> freshness was lost. That was approx. the time, when Goldie and Alex Reece
> are getting popular.

When was that? early 96? You're saying that breakbeat has been in the
same place for nearly 2 years? I'd say that the past two years is when
the breaks sound has really been explored by artists like photek, the
v crew, the formation crew etc etc. I would go further to say that
the sound is one of the most vibrant in modern music today. In the
past 6 months my most valued tracks have, for the most part, been
breaks tracks. One of the reasons for me not posting my best of
97 is that I can't honestly name too many top-notch "acid-jazz" releases
in the past 6 months _unless_ I look toward the Jaz Klash effort
for help, for example. The weight of top notch new releases and sounds
in breaks kicks ass.

> I think today everybody just repeats, what is written in the hip
> magazines. The magazines say Roni Size is revolutionary and jazzy.
> Suddenly everybody says: "Oh, I like the Roni Size stuff very much because
> it is so revolutionary and jazzy".

So everybody likes Roni Size for that reason huh? You're one of the
last free thinkers out there ... how patronising.

> For me, jazz has something to do with
> improvisation and freedom of structure. But the tracks on the Represenz
> album are not full of improvisation and devoid of structure. I mostly hear
> simple and repeating beats.

Maybe you should listen harder and more closely. In a lot of tracks
there is a dense interplay of rhythms and sounds. Moreover the
strength of drum and bass comes from MIXING the tracks together to create
a SET which is where things come together. This is a DJ medium.
Tracks are released almost exclusively on vinyl to be mixed. To ignore
that is to miss the point.

Drum and bass is a genuinely NEW FORM that is being explored and invented
at a fast, quarterly, pace. If you don't like it fine. But to suggest
that it is boring and repetitive is just a sign of lack of interest,
not some deep statement about the state of the scene.

bijan