Re: slightly OT: Buena Vista Social Club

From: Stimp (stimp@sympatico.ca)
Date: Sat Dec 09 2000 - 02:25:46 CET

  • Next message: Marco Pringle: "Re: slightly OT: Buena Vista Social Club"

        Actually, Marco, I'm completely in agreement with you about the Ry
    Cooder collaboration with Buena Vista, in that I think I would have enjoyed
    the album much more without his slide guitar noodlings throughout. I dunno
    if you guys can see where I'm coming from here, but I felt that perhaps Ry
    was intentionally trying to put his stamp on this record and make it a Ry
    Cooder project, rather than just letting the Cubans do their stuff.
    Although I enjoy his guitar playing, I found Ry's playing on this disc
    intrusive and somewhat arrogant (yeah, I know, I'm interpreting here). This
    is indigenous music which is unique to that wonderful island, so I find Ry's
    participation bothersome; leave 'em do it the way they've always done it.
    With the embargo and all, I think I would have respected him a helluva lot
    more if he would have left the musicians play what they felt rather than
    having to collaborate with an Americano.

    Stimp
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Marco Pringle" <freakymarco@yahoo.com>
    To: "joni ." <kitty429@hotmail.com>; <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 5:46 PM
    Subject: Re: slightly OT: Buena Vista Social Club

    > Hi Joni (and rest of Listees...),
    >
    > --- "joni ." <kitty429@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > 1 Are these two groups related to eachother and if so how?
    > 2 Does anyone know which of their albums are best or is
    > there a particular album that is better to pick up from
    > these latin Gods!?
    >
    > --- Stimp <stimp@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    >
    > > To answer your question, although both
    > > records came out at approximately the same time, they
    > > don't have anything (that I know of) to do with each
    > > other.
    >
    > > The Buena Vista Social Club got the huge, well
    > > deserved props that it did mostly because it's a Ry
    > > Cooder collaboration, and Warner knows that anything that
    > > Ry Cooder touches turns to gold.
    > >
    >
    > Yes, as Juuso Koponen noted, both the Buena Vista Social
    > Club and the Afro-Cuban All Stars share many similarities,
    > including singers, musicians, and labels, while being
    > produced and Exec-produced by the same people (Ry Cooder
    > and Nick Gold, respectively).
    >
    > With apologies to Stimp, while Ry Cooder's collaboration
    > may have added many resources for promotion, etc., in my
    > opinion, BVSC succeeds _in spite of_ his input. His
    > intrusions on slide and electric guitar licks seem
    > distinctly out of place. For my money, the ACAS' first
    > album, 'A Toda Cuba Le Gusta', is the better buy because
    > Cooder's intrusions are fewer, and the prowess of these
    > cuban luminaries is left to shine (their second album,
    > 'Distinto, Differente' provides much of the same, although
    > I think I like the first one better - but that might be
    > because I've had the chance to listen to it more).
    >
    > With the success of these two releases, just about everyone
    > featured on these releases put out their own solo album,
    > with titles from Ruben Gonzales, Ibrahim Ferrer, Iliades
    > Ochoa, Compay Segondo, and Omara Portuondo. In addition
    > there have been many "roots of buena vista"-type albums,
    > some which feature early vintage recordings of said
    > artists. In truth, it's been quite hard to keep tabs on
    > all these releases, and because of their ubiquity, i'm
    > starting to take a 'been there, heard that' attitude to all
    > these cuban/latin releases, and all the tracks start
    > sounding the same after a while. I can attest to having
    > listened to the Ferrer and Portuondo albums, and quite
    > enjoyed them. I also liked the Gonzales recording.
    >
    > Branching out a bit, you might want to look at what some
    > other labels have been putting out. Cubop has been
    > releasing and re-releasing solid latin recordings for years
    > now. Their most recent 'Viva Cubop' compilation might be a
    > good place to start. Six Degrees records has also been
    > putting out a bunch of dance-floor friendly dance records.
    > Their recent 'Cuba Without Borders' has a very similar feel
    > to the BVSC and ACAS records.
    >
    > And then if you want to bring it back to the acid jazz
    > topic, there's a couple of recordings which kinda hafta be
    > mentioned here: Six Degrees' 'Latin Travels' album and
    > Ubiquity's 'New Latinaires' series. Latin Travels features
    > new work with a heavy latin sound from all our favourite
    > producers including Fila Brazillia, St-Germain, Bob
    > Holroyd, and (AJ list favourites) Jazzanova. The 'New
    > Latinaires' series' tracks are either new work, or vintage
    > work that has been remixed and brought up to speed.
    > Although there's three in the series at this time (More to
    > come, I'm sure), I quite like the second one; The dnb-ish
    > P'taah track is a standout, even amongst other great tracks
    > from latin masters Papo Vasquez and Francisco Aquabella,
    > and house master Joe Clausell (no Jazzanova track on this
    > one, but there is one on volume one...)
    >
    > Maybe your local library might have some of these titles so
    > you can preview them to see which you prefer before going
    > out and buying them. Although with christmas coming, it's
    > hard not to get into the spirit of mass consumerism...
    >
    > Best of Luck,
    >
    >
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