Re: New Soul: D'Angelo VS. Angela Stone

From: Steve Catanzaro (stevencatanzaro@sprintmail.com)
Date: Wed Feb 16 2000 - 19:19:04 MET

  • Next message: Erik Borälv: "Re: New Soul: D'Angelo VS. Angela Stone"

    I agree exactly. Remember the movie "Amadeus" where Mozart, on his deathbed,
    is dictating the Requeim Mass to Salieri? The journeyman composer is taking
    it down note for note. He says, "Yes, Yes... It's brilliant." Mozart
    interrupts and says; "No... now for the REAL fire."

    That's what we're looking for... joints that take it to the next level, the
    ultimate level. But Duke Ellington or Stevie Wonder come along, as we can
    see, only about once every 50 years. D'Angelo isn't there yet, despite the
    hype. But I agree, Voodoo does have some great moments... mostly after about
    9 tracks in....

    In other words, there's alot of whackness to wade through.... 2 bar vamps,
    falsettos about sex, and the same bpm track after track are not the stuff of
    the would-be Mozart of soul. I think he's good... but who could live up to
    this hype?
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mark Allerton <Mark@warmspot.cix.co.uk>
    To: Stimp <stimp@sympatico.ca>; temi castro <temicastro@yahoo.com>
    Cc: Acid-Jazz List <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 6:13 PM
    Subject: Re: New Soul: D'Angelo VS. Angela Stone

    >I've got to say that anyone who hopes every record will be the next
    >"Innervisions" is going to spend a lot of time disappointed.
    >
    >"Voodoo" certainly ain't it. But it is pretty damn good regardless, and
    >there's definitely a few tracks on there (Send It On, The Root, Spanish
    >Joint, Africa) that set it _well_ above most of the crowd.
    >
    >PS: Voodoo runs to 78 minutes. That's twice the length of "Innervisions",
    >"Extension Of A Man" or any of those 70s classics. I'm not sure that if you
    >just did the comparison with the best 40 minutes of "Voodoo" or other
    recent
    >albums they would stack up that much better - but it would certainly be a
    >more valid comparison.
    >
    >..Mark..
    >
    >----- Original Message -----
    >From: Stimp <stimp@sympatico.ca>
    >To: temi castro <temicastro@yahoo.com>
    >Cc: Acid-Jazz List <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    >Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 8:54 PM
    >Subject: Re: New Soul: D'Angelo VS. Angela Stone
    >
    >
    >> I kinda figured I was gonna get resistance from my post. Instant
    >> gratification is definitely NOT what I'm after. I listen to alot of
    >> avant-garde Jazz, contemporary classical and overall weirdness, and you
    >can
    >> bet that you need to pay attention in order to appreciate where that
    music
    >> is coming from. I truly enjoy challenging music which requires repeated
    >> listening and one's undivided attention in order for its full impact to
    be
    >> felt. I gave "Voodoo" at least 20 listens before giving up on it; it
    just
    >> doesn't move me. I was hoping that my post would encourage discussion on
    >> these artists and perhaps inspire comments on the overall state of modern
    >> RnB, so I appreciate your reply to my post, Temi, even if we don't agree.
    >>
    >> As an aside, I read about 10 different reviews on D'Angelo's latest
    in
    >3
    >> different languages, and each and every review said EXACTLY the same
    thing
    >> and compared his disc to EXACTLY the same sould artists from back in tha
    >> day, no deviation whatsoever. Now, that either means that those 10
    >> reviewers arrived at precisely the same conclusions, or, as I suspect,
    >that
    >> there's some major-league PR people behind this record. To me, it seems
    >way
    >> too scripted to be sincere, but again, that's just my impression. I
    >wanted
    >> to believe the hype, but "Voodoo" just don't do it for me.
    >>
    >> Stimp
    >> ----- Original Message -----
    >> From: "temi castro" <temicastro@yahoo.com>
    >> To: "Stimp" <stimp@sympatico.ca>
    >> Cc: <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    >> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 9:01 AM
    >> Subject: Re: New Soul: D'Angelo VS. Angela Stone
    >>
    >>
    >> >
    >> > D'angelo joint is class AAAAA the album is sooooooo
    >> > bad I cant even start. The smallest feat is the
    >> > sparseness that lets u fill the space with the magic
    >> > he and his cohorts suggest with every note and
    >> > boom-bap.
    >> >
    >> > This minimal approach still manages to establish a
    >> > souled out rendition without sounding nu jack (what do
    >> > u mean, most nu jak cats just repeat catch-melodies
    >> > and choruses over and over this guy is flippin' every
    >> > note like a spanish omelete spiced with african
    >> > ginger.... he's on fire tonight!).
    >> >
    >> > I gave Angie Stone a quick listen at the local HMV and
    >> > wasnt convinced. Its kinda half-way there, whereas D
    >> > is elsewhere.
    >> >
    >> > I think u mistake soul for sweet. It appears to me
    >> > that its instant gratification u r after like in "hmmm
    >> > I can sing along to this...".
    >> >
    >> > PEACE
    >> >
    >> > t
    >> >
    >> > PS: In the end of it all, its only my view, to each
    >> > his own....
    >> >
    >> > --- Stimp <stimp@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    >> > >
    >> > >
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    >
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