what is jazz? was: blue note

From: stephanie (nnine@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed May 10 2000 - 17:07:47 MET DST

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    > because
    > the overtures that
    > drum and bass artists are making towards jazz have
    > become increasingly
    > bold,
    > shouldn't we be even mildly interested when recent
    > jazz artists make a
    > few preliminary (if failing, miserable) attempts to
    > go in the other
    > direction, synthesize influences from other scenes?

    this points straight to a question that's been gnawing
    at me...what *is* contemporary jazz? as an outsider
    who doesn't really have enough money or fancy satin
    sequin pant suit outfits to go to the respected jazz
    clubs, what i see is groups who are pretty much based
    on classic forms (let's say charlie kolhase quintet
    maybe), pop-radio deflated "jazz"y schtick,
    incomprehensible (to me) hyper-experiments for the
    sake of being weird (charles gayle is the only name i
    know), and then everybody you read aobut in straight
    no chaser.

    getting into this scene i was kind of letting myself
    assume that the s.n.chaser set was where "jazz",
    whatever that is, resides right now, but i really
    don't know. Is there consensus about what/who/where
    jazz is? what does the jazz community, if there is one
    (as opposed to many scattered) think of the stuff that
    falls under the "nu jazz" type of umbrella? what does
    it think of the term jazz being thrown around
    everywhere from hip hop to indy rock? i imagine there
    must be lots of heated debates about authenticity and
    audience.

    Dale, thank you for this straightforward, informed,
    insightful insider's point of view. good thread. =)
    btw,

    i think the st germain is lovely. sounds to me like
    rose rouge is based on tito puente's version of take
    5, and mixes very nicely indeed.

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