Re: Bomb the Dissent; Re: hip hop top 10 / in my case

From: Beau Young (bjy07@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Jul 11 2001 - 17:57:04 CEST

  • Next message: Szirtes, Thomas: "RE: Bomb the Dissent; Re: hip hop top 10 / in my case"

    RIGHT ON ADARIO!  the last two quotes say a whole lot (especially the last one).  you are really on point with that!  i was just thinking how all this discussion is good but (in my opinion) still can't explain hip hop accurately.

      i don't care what anybody says... rap is hip hop... and if you honestly love hip hop... you have to have love for rap.  no true hip hop connoiseur can say they love Hip Hop, that they love The Roots, they love De La Soul, but then say they can't stand rap... that they don't like 2 Pac, Scarface or Snoop Dogg.  If you can say that, then you don't get it.   Thats why I have no shame mentioning so called "gangster rap" artists with all these hip hop greats.  I'm not trying to say if you don't play rap then your not hip hop...  but if you can write off rap music as crap or mindless then you don't get it. 

    AND... i also agree that hip hop is very applicable to acid-jazz.  We talk about house, drum n bass, techno, and world music here... oh... but hip hop is not ok??? HA.

    actually, i'm not even that bitter (lol).  this is the common attitude in the real world... "oh i like everything but rap".

     


    >From: "adario"

    >To: "Szirtes, Thomas" , "'Beau Young'" ,
    >CC:
    >Subject: Bomb the Dissent; Re: hip hop top 10 / in my case
    >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:42:07 -0400
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    >I don't. Acid Jazz = Funk + Jazz + *Hiphop* + Soul + Salsa + Son + Samba + Disco + House + DnB + 2step + Dancehall + Dub + Ambient + ...
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    >in precisely that order :) If you don't understand Hiphop, then you don't understand AJ. Listen to Worldwide and tell me otherwise.
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    >and what most people know as "Rap" is a deprived commodification of Hiphop. Take the C-train to Brooklyn and chill on a curb listening to the music echoing from every direction. Trade some indica for a mixtape with some dreads. That's Hiphop. Drive your mom's craven 15mpg SUV to the Sam Goodies at your sterile suburban shopping mall and hear the demographically targeted pre-programmed cd changer play "Rap".
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    >The discoveredness is preserved in what is expressed. What is expressed becomes, as it were, something available within-the-world which can be taken up and spoken again.- Martin Heidegger
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    >But this common currency is easily devalued. Used by those who are not in the original situation and who have not undergone the necessary anxiety, the propositions become banalities that cover up rather than reveal the way things are. - Hubert Dreyfus
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    >es la verdad, Axel?
    >adario
    > Anyway I agree with the discenting voices - I love hip-hop but this is an "Acid Jazz" list (whatever that means!).
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Beau Young [mailto:bjy07@hotmail.com]
    > Sent: 11 July 2001 06:53
    > To: kgoodale@stic.net
    > Cc: acid-jazz@ucsd.edu
    > Subject: Re: hip hop top 10 / in my case
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    > >From: "Keith Goodale" I was wondering what the
    > >distinction is between hip hop and rap. I noticed that several artists fall
    > >into both categories and I would like to know how to distinguish between the
    > >two. Thanks for any information.
    > >
    > >Keith Goodale
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    > oooh, this is a good one. in my mind rap IS hip hop... rap is like a sub-genre of hip hop and also a sub-genre of funk and soul which are the main elements of "rap", production wise. Rap usually refers to hip hop with a more gangster feel to it. Hip hop (as mentioned so far in this group) tends to be more mental while rap is more often emotional, extremely funky and often violent or rude. Some quality rap artists include Scarface, Ice Cube, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, and Master P. The lyrics mostly focus on partying, women, smoking, drinking, money and street conflicts. The sound is heavy heavy funk and 60's, 70's soul music, oh and super heavy on the bass. This is not *at all* to say 'rap' music can not be mental... anyone who is familiar with scarface, earlier stuff by ice cube and early Outkast knows the two are compatible... .its just matter of what the individual hip hop artists has! been exposed to. Hope that helps some.
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    > Beau J Young
    >
    > >----- Original Message -----
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    > >From: Patrik Hamberg
    > >To:
    > >Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 1:26 AM
    > >Subject: hip hop top 10 / in my case
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    > >since I love lists and have been reading all of yours with great
    > >pleasure the last couple of days, here's my hip hop top 10:
    > >
    > >1. Public Enemy "It takes a nation of millions to hold us back"
    > >2. Beastie Boys "Check Your Head"
    > >3. N.W.A. "Straight Outta Compton"
    > >4. Dr Dre "The Chronic"
    > >5. Wu-Tang Clan "36 Chambers"
    > >6. Gang Starr "Moment of Truth"
    > >7. Fugees "The Score"
    > >8. De La Soul "...is Dead"
    > >9. Ice Cube "The Predator"
    > >0. 2Pac "All Eyeys on Me"
    > >
    > >And ten that could have made it to the top ten:
    > >
    > >Run DMC "Raising Hell"
    > >A Tribe Called Quest "The Love Movement"
    > >Jurassic 5 "LP"
    > >Warren G "Regulate... G-Funk Era"
    > >Mos Def "Black on Both Sides"
    > >Missy Misdemeneaor Elliott "Supa Dupa Fly"
    > >The Roots "Come Alive"
    > >Common "Like Water for Chocolate"
    > >Lil Kim "Notorious Kim"
    > >MOP "Warriorz"
    > >
    > >In my CD case (24 slots):
    > >
    > >1. Case "Open Letter"
    > >2. Ky-Mani Marley "Many More Roads"
    > >3. Lil Mo "Based on a true story"
    > >4. Empty
    > >5. Empty
    > >6. Empty
    > >7. CMJ New Music May 2001
    > >8. Empty
    > >9. Empty
    > >10. Empty
    > >11. Empty
    > >12. Empty
    > >13. Empty
    > >14. Empty
    > >15. Fre "Välkommen till Fre"
    > >16. The Barbwires "...Sounds Like Trouble"
    > >17. The Peepshows "Tomorrow We Die... Today We Kill"
    > >18. Ugly Duckling "Journey to Anywhere"
    > >19. The Stooges "Fun House"
    > >20. Michael Franti & Spearhead "Stay Human"
    > >21. Urga "Urgasm"
    > >22. Talib Kweli & Hi-Tek "Reflection Eternal"
    > >23. Mos Def & Talib Kweli are Black Star
    > >24. Fint Tillsammans "En Världsomsegling"
    > >--
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