Acid Jazz Archive: Re: NYTimes.com Article: The D.J.'so New Mix

the subject hardly leaves anyone here indifferent:) zach made a radical but rather good point - it`s about tradition and dj aesthetics, not much about anything else. of course it`s quality of the dj-set that matters, but do you really think a well respected dj would loose any reliabilty if somone noticed him "toying" with cd-s during an ecstatic set? although it didn`t start like a war between cd-s and vinyl it has become one for now. agreeing with someone stating that dj culture is a culture of 12", I would also point out that it`s also closely related to dj`s mission of familiarising audiences with rarer kind of tracks & neverheard versions of known songs, which can hardly be found on commonly available compilations.

here in Estonia there seems even be a different word for dj-s playing with cd-s - "diskor":)) ok, maybe i´m dreaming...

Tauno

----Original Message Follows----

From: Zachary Viggiani

To:

Subject: Re: NYTimes.com Article: The D.J.'so New Mix: Digital Files andaTurntable

Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:11:08 -0400

I am going to get hit for being so terse on this, but in my mind djs play

vinyl and jokers play cds out. it is one thing to come out and play an

original composition on cd-r that is a animal of a different nature, but i

have very little respect for a dj that plays cds, especially if they play

compellation cds. it says to me that they put in very little effort into

their music selection. that is just the way i feel, if you play them all

the more power to you, but i personally have little respect for them.

in my mind, it should be a personal point of pride that you know your shit

and put in the effort to get vinyl even though in the end it all sounds the

same coming out of the speakers. dj culture is build out of the 12" that is

where you get your special remix's, that is where your limited releases, the

odd b-sides that never make it to an lp. in my mind that is what it is all

about.

to me it is like if in the 80's a dj came out and played tapes. they do not

have the history, or the cred.

On 10/26/01 09:11 AM, "Olaf Molenveld" wrote:

> i invite you all to go to www.expansions.nl and listen to some of my mixes,

> and then tell me

> A) doi you think they're done using CD's, Vinyl, compilations or 12"es or

> MP3's,

> B) did you like the mixes? and

> C) would you dance to the music? ;)

> Olaf (always curious and it's friday ;)

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Joao Neves

> To:

> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:33 PM

> Subject: SV: NYTimes.com Article: The D.J.'s New Mix: Digital Files

> andaTurntable

>> Hello,

>> This is my first post on this list, im not new to the list, i've just been

>> lurking in the background for a while.. thought it was time to say

> something

>> here. Maybe i'll give an intro later on..

>> In respons to your questions olaf:

>> I thing what Heikki is trying to say here is that anyone can throw on a

>> compilation cd and let it spin, this doesn't require any skill at all. Its

>> like looking at a musican playing an already programed intrument, in other

>> words boring. But it takes a skilled DJ to be able to mix a bunch of song

>> through-out a session (notice: this can be done with either cd or vinyl)

>> I myself have started to buy more vinyl then the last year or so, mostly

>> because its more fun to play vinyl when DJing. Its hard to put your finger

>> on it, but its something more magical over a peice of vinyl then a cd. It

>> probably has to do with the thing that its a little bit rarer with vinyl

>> then cds nowadays.

>> And that is probably the reason we some people regard DJs who spin vinyl

> as

>> "realer" DJs. Everybody have cds at home, but not everybody have vinyl,

>> expecially not.. rare, white-labeled 12inches. And of course, the whole

>> DJ/Rap culture started out with "two turntables and a microphone" also

>> making it more "real" to spin wax instead of cds.

>> Now.. im not saying that I back this claims all the way, im just trying to

>> explain, or lay out a theory at least on why some people do think this

> way.

>> I agree with the previours posters to this thread, that to mix vinyl with

>> cds is ok, as long as it is done in a moderate way.. hehe.

>> Regards

>> Joao Neves

>> Sthlm, Sweden

>> http://www.joaoneves.com

>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----

>> Från: Olaf Molenveld [mailto:olaf@interactivelink.nl]

>> Skickat: den 26 oktober 2001 13:22

>> Till: heikki kiviluoto; acid-jazz@ucsd.edu

>> Ämne: Re: NYTimes.com Article: The D.J.'s New Mix: Digital Files and

>> aTurntable

>> could you clarify a little on this statement:

>> "and if they aren't people calling

>> themselves deejays and playing just compilation cds and cd-r:s containing

>> already-released material."

>> is it because it's to easy to buy a compilation CD? is it different from

>> DJ's spinning and mixing with vinyl albums (instead of 12"es)? do you mean

>> with compilation a compilation with radio-edits or do you also consider

>> unmixed compilations with full 12" versions on it?

>> about CD-r's with already released material: is this a music-pirating

> thing,

>> or something else?

>> Olaf

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: heikki kiviluoto

>> To: Olaf Molenveld ; acidjazz list

>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:17 PM

>> Subject: Re: NYTimes.com Article: The D.J.'s New Mix: Digital Files and

>> aTurntable

>>> on 26.10.2001 13:16, Olaf Molenveld at olaf@interactivelink.nl wrote:

>>>

>>>> what kind of experience do you have when you watch a DJ select 12"s

> and

>> put

>>>> them on a turntable?

>>>

>>> well, if that dj happened to be - say - q-bert, i bet i'd sure have some

>>> sort of experience.:)

>>>

>>> then again, if the dj happened to be your regular club dj who does neat

>> beat

>>> mixing and little gimmicks but not anything that special, no

> extraordianry

>>> experiences then..

>>>

>>>> i am honestly curious what it is about seeing a DJ

>>>> playing vinyl vs. CD's.......is it that it's not common for people to

>> have

>>>> vinyl?

>>>

>>> myself being a vinyl junkie i just _happen_ to prefer vinyl over cds.

>> vinyl

>>> seems and feels more "real" to me. then again, i ain't bothered people

>> using

>>> cds as well as music has quality. and if they aren't people calling

>>> themselves deejays and playing just compilation cds and cd-r:s

> containing

>>> already-released material.

>>>

>>> if any deejay stared using c-cassettes!.. that would rock!:)

>>>

>>> --

>>> Heikki Kiviluoto -> ddr rhythm/turku soul boys

>>> turku, finland, europe

>>>

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