RE: [acid-jazz] tool requests was 21st Century

From: Waiter, James (jwaiter@chi.navtech.com)
Date: Fri Aug 30 2002 - 22:03:44 CEST

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    "imho disco was and is VERY influentual and important in the evolution of
    music..it was a very natural and logical progression and it's been taken
    further now into house, techno, nujazz etc."

    Absolutely. We owe alot to these 'throwaway' records.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Olaf Molenveld [mailto:olaf@interactivelink.nl]
    Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:43 AM
    To: Acid-Jazz Listserve
    Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] tool requests was 21st Century

    a good tip: read the book "last night a DJ saved my life" it's very well
    written...

    imho disco was and is VERY influentual and important in the evolution of
    music..it was a very natural and logical progression and it's been taken
    further now into house, techno, nujazz etc.

    producers like Patrick Adams, Patrick Cowley, Giorgio Moroder, Francois
    Kevorkian, Gamble&Huff, Vincent Montana,Larry Levan etc. cannot be
    ignored... i believe the list of good disco compilations (disco spectrum,
    jumping etc.) is posted several times to this list..

    Olaf

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Dan <dzacks@po-box.mcgill.ca>
    To: Acid-Jazz Listserve <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:01 AM
    Subject: RE: [acid-jazz] tool requests was 21st Century

    > Perhaps you would be surprised to know that much on the Sugarhill label is
    > considered a form of disco. Trouble Funk's "Drop the Bomb", for example,
    is
    > most certainly a work of disco-funk. And where do you think so many of
    > early hiphop samples come from? To the quote the Furious Five, it's
    nothing
    > without the 'disco fluid'. Again, I suggest that you merely write without
    > appreciating the true importance of disco. The massive influence of T.K.
    > label style arrangements from the late seventies is abundantly apparent on
    > more recent music, Faze Action for example. More to the point, the very
    > notion of producing a record primarily for a dancefloor is product of
    disco.
    > You are right to dismiss pop disco (although Chic was much revered by the
    > Clash) but you cannot dismiss disco without undermining contemporary dance
    > music culture.
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Stimp [mailto:stimp@aei.ca]
    > Sent: August 28, 2002 11:30 PM
    > To: acid-jazz@ucsd.edu
    > Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] tool requests was 21st Century
    >
    >
    > Y'know, I'm with Pace on this one; it seems that everyone sees even
    the
    > worst musical travesties with rose colored glasses once they age a few
    > decades. Disco had its revival, with the requisite weaned-on-radio fans
    > trumpeting the genius of Gloria Gaynor and Donna Summer. Now, the 80's are
    > experiencing a bit of a revival, and Kajagoogoo are being spoken of with
    > reverence. Fuck it, it sucked then, it still sucks now.
    >
    > There was ALWAYS a difference between what P-Funk and KC and the
    > Sunshine were doing, between what Elvis Costello and A Flock of Seagulls
    > did, and there always will be. That's why the greats still record and
    tour,
    > while the others get put on a show with William Shatner singing their
    > praises. DJ's looking for great old-skool beats are far more likely to
    find
    > them on a Rufus or Graham Central Station record than they are on a Teena
    > Marie K-Tel extravaganza.
    >
    > Frankly, I'm surprised that anyone on this list would even mention
    most
    > disco the viable musical choice of that era when there's TONS of great
    > Hip-Hop (Grandmaster Flash, Kurtis Blow, Sugarhill gang,etc... you all
    know
    > 'em) and Punk rock acts whose musical influence is still being felt 30
    years
    > later. Who'd KC or Teena Marie ever inluence? Sure, it's not all bad,
    but
    > most of it sucked ass and put musicians out of business. I ain't with
    that.
    > Throwaway music is just that, no matter how old it is. If not, I've got a
    > pile of Glen Miller and Pat Boone records I wanna sell you......
    >
    > Stimp
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Wm. ERROL PACE" <wm_errol_pace@hotmail.com>
    > To: <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:55 PM
    > Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] tool requests was 21st Century
    >
    >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > >I dunno, it doesn't seem that far fetched. When I saw DJ
    > > >Z-Trip, he spun a pretty eclectic but mostly hip hop and
    > > >funk set... AND he dropped AC/DC's "Back in Black", doubled
    > > >it up and did a bit of a beat juggle on that
    > > >ever-so-recogizable guitar riff.
    > >
    > > Ah Hah!!! Variety, the Spice of Life. I'll take DJ Krush's Code 4019's
    > > "Final Home" and then Led Zeppelin's "When the Levee Breaks" from Zofo.
    > Now
    > > that would be friggin' Good to Go, Funk doesn't just exist where one
    > thinks
    > > it would!!! Then The Cure "Fascination Street" into their version of
    Jimi
    > > Hendrix "Purple Haze" from the Stone Free Tribute. Then bust into some
    > The
    > > Grassy Knoll top it off with Billy Idol/Steve Stevens "Flesh for
    Fantasy"
    > > extended oh yeah add in Nils Petter Molvaer's "Khmer" now that would be
    > > nice. I'll take my Acid Downtempo with a Double Shot of Rock!!!
    > >
    > > Then, if memory serves, he
    > > >let in with an accapella of a Christina Aguilera track, of
    > > >all things. The crowd loved it. Not so completely out of
    > > >place as you might expect.
    > >
    > > I feel much better now, hopefully I am not condemned to 1977 Polyester
    > Hell.
    > > I think folks re missing a point I was making as well. Growing up
    > during
    > > the 70's really sucked in my area here in South Carolina. Closed
    Minded,
    > > the Disco-phile were militantly close minded. Me? Close Minded? I
    like
    > to
    > > say I'm selective. I know what I like and what I don't but then again
    > still
    > > being here in South Carolina one doesn't get the full exposure to a wide
    > > variety of music like in major metropolitan areas. I detested having
    > Disco
    > > pushed in my face when I was younger and I'm sure those folks detested
    > > having what I liked having shoved in their faces as well. Once again it
    > > comes around to variety is the Spice of Life.
    > >
    > > Maybe I was misunderstood a little but the Peace Pipe goes out to one
    and
    > > all who got bent.
    > >
    > > Semper Motociclismo,
    > >
    > > Pace'
    > >
    > > >
    > > >--- t-bird <djtbird1@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > > > > i think you guys are totally missing the point of what
    > > > > michael was trying to get across. it's not so much
    > > > > about tool in the absolute, but relative to what he
    > > > > was playing--funk or house. i own and love ac/dc's
    > > > > "back in black", but you'd be hard pressed to find it
    > > > > in my record box when i'm playing funk, or electronic
    > > > > music. it's just completely out of place.
    > > > > > -t
    > > >Marco Pringle, host of
    > > >the Fat Beat Diet - Thursday evenings, 10:30-Midnight
    > > >CJSW 90.9FM (Calgary) - in real audio at:
    > > >http://www.cjsw.com
    > > >
    > > >Hit you with the funk/It's like, who cut the provalone?
    > > > - Blackalicious
    > >
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