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good points steve
very good points
all the people you have mentioned
it has been about image for the artist
and i agree on that point
and don't get me wrong on this negative vs positive thing
i have nothing against commercial music
i don't even have anything against people who like commercial music
or even so called negative lyrics
or music that doesn't push the envelope
i guess i was speaking more about listeners extending themselves
being open to something new and different
things they haven't heard before
when i go out and hear a dj play in NYC
i'd rather go hear a qool marv or bobbito or spinna
b/c i know i am not going to get what i get on the radio
if i am only hearing radio music when i go out, what is the point of of
going out?
i want to learn about music
i want to hear zero 7, jazzanova, et. al.
i want to hear classics i never heard before
like the originals that are sampled in today's hip-hop and house and even
what we are calling acid jazz
b/c i do not hear these artists or these sounds on the radio
whenever i go to a lounge or a club
and i see people bothering the dj all night with requests to play the latest
hottest shit
it kind of pisses me off
the dj was paid to do his/her thing
to bring his/her musical journey to set the ambiance of the spot
and folks should just let djs do their job
they can always go somewhere else if they don't like what the dj is playing
i think that's it
peace
lynne
From: "Steven Catanzaro" <stevencatanzaro@sprintmail.com>
Reply-To: "Steven Catanzaro" <stevencatanzaro@sprintmail.com>
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:36:55 -0700
To: "Lynne d Johnson" <ldj00@earthlink.net>, "ACIDJAZZ" <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
Subject: Re: Negative music.../ Positive Solutions
> that ashanti outsold tweet and celine is amazing
> and not that i think the other two are so great
> her debut just really showed me something about the average music listener
Hey but Lynne, what does it tell ya, other than that the average music
listener doesn't care much for the technical art of singing. Nothing new in
that. If records were judged by the technical skill of the singer, where
would Bob Dylan be? Where would Billie Holiday be? As far as lyrics, I don't
think Tweet or Celine are making Joni Mitchell stay up late sweating her
next turn of phrase.
> do you really call what she is doing singing?
> can so do what whitney, jill, or mary can do?
> the girl's success rides off of her connection to ja rule and his camp..
But people can, and did, say the same exact thing about Janet Jackson when
she started making records, even back before Control. I bet we both know
MANY singers who could've rocked "Let's Wait A While" or "What Have You Done
For Me Lately" but Janet's the one. Yet who hates Janet now? If anyone does,
she's got 80 million ways to refute their opinions...
As for staying power. I distinctly remember the buzz around Cindy Lauper and
Madonna, back in about '85. Madonna was using sex to sell, while Cindy
Lauper was a "serious" artist who had her song covered by Miles Davis. All
the "smart money" was on Madonna to be a one hit wonder and Lauper to ascend
to the heights.
So much for the smart money.
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good points steve<BR>
very good points<BR>
all the people you have mentioned<BR>
it has been about image for the artist<BR>
and i agree on that point<BR>
and don't get me wrong on this negative vs positive thing<BR>
i have nothing against commercial music<BR>
i don't even have anything against people who like commercial music<BR>
or even so called negative lyrics<BR>
or music that doesn't push the envelope<BR>
i guess i was speaking more about listeners extending themselves<BR>
being open to something new and different<BR>
things they haven't heard before<BR>
<BR>
when i go out and hear a dj play in NYC<BR>
i'd rather go hear a qool marv or bobbito or spinna<BR>
b/c i know i am not going to get what i get on the radio<BR>
if i am only hearing radio music when i go out, what is the point of of goi=
ng out?<BR>
i want to learn about music <BR>
i want to hear zero 7, jazzanova, et. al.<BR>
i want to hear classics i never heard before<BR>
like the originals that are sampled in today's hip-hop and house and even w=
hat we are calling acid jazz<BR>
b/c i do not hear these artists or these sounds on the radio<BR>
<BR>
whenever i go to a lounge or a club<BR>
and i see people bothering the dj all night with requests to play the lates=
t hottest shit<BR>
it kind of pisses me off<BR>
the dj was paid to do his/her thing<BR>
to bring his/her musical journey to set the ambiance of the spot<BR>
and folks should just let djs do their job<BR>
they can always go somewhere else if they don't like what the dj is playing=
<BR>
<BR>
i think that's it<BR>
peace<BR>
lynne<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<B>From: </B>"Steven Catanzaro" <stevencatanzaro@sprintmail.co=
m><BR>
<B>Reply-To: </B>"Steven Catanzaro" <stevencatanzaro@sprintmai=
l.com><BR>
<B>Date: </B>Wed, 29 May 2002 22:36:55 -0700<BR>
<B>To: </B>"Lynne d Johnson" <ldj00@earthlink.net>, "A=
CIDJAZZ" <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu><BR>
<B>Subject: </B>Re: Negative music.../ Positive Solutions<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>> that ashanti outsold tweet and celine is amazing<BR>
> and not that i think the other two are so great<BR>
> her debut just really showed me something about the average music list=
ener<BR>
<BR>
Hey but Lynne, what does it tell ya, other than that the average music<BR>
listener doesn't care much for the technical art of singing. Nothing new in=
<BR>
that. If records were judged by the technical skill of the singer, where<BR=
>
would Bob Dylan be? Where would Billie Holiday be? As far as lyrics, I don'=
t<BR>
think Tweet or Celine are making Joni Mitchell stay up late sweating her<BR=
>
next turn of phrase.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> do you really call what she is doing singing?<BR>
> can so do what whitney, jill, or mary can do?<BR>
> the girl's success rides off of her connection to ja rule and his camp=
..<BR>
<BR>
But people can, and did, say the same exact thing about Janet Jackson when<=
BR>
she started making records, even back before Control. I bet we both know<BR=
>
MANY singers who could've rocked "Let's Wait A While" or "Wh=
at Have You Done<BR>
For Me Lately" but Janet's the one. Yet who hates Janet now? If anyone=
does,<BR>
she's got 80 million ways to refute their opinions...<BR>
<BR>
As for staying power. I distinctly remember the buzz around Cindy Lauper an=
d<BR>
Madonna, back in about '85. Madonna was using sex to sell, while Cindy<BR>
Lauper was a "serious" artist who had her song covered by Miles D=
avis. All<BR>
the "smart money" was on Madonna to be a one hit wonder and Laupe=
r to ascend<BR>
to the heights.<BR>
<BR>
So much for the smart money.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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