Now, I've only heard the album with '25th Century Quaker' on it. Where
would those of you in the know say that falls in the Captain's repertoire?
I agree it's good to hear that's the kind of music we can discuss here.
-Carly
>From: "Leslie N. Shill" <icehouse@redshift.com>
>To: "Stimp" <stimp@sympatico.ca>
>CC: "acid" <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
>Subject: Re: Captain Beefheart
>Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:19:40 -0800
>
>I sure am glad to see another Beefheart fan around, i usually feel like a
>dinosaur when i talk about him and people look at me with that "yeah,
>right!" look. I know that he has been a very difficult man to work with for
>his bandmembers but he apparently has, as you point out, some very exacting
>standards which is not all bad. As Don Van Vliet he has also done some
>interesting paintings, hot rats, hot cats, gimme tha Captain!
>
>leslie/The Power of Sound
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stimp
> To: Leslie N. Shill ; robert@vaneglory.com
> Cc: acid
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Captain Beefheart
>
>
> Cool, another Beefheart fan!! I got to know Beefheart thru Zappa, and
>loved what I heard. My buddy then lent me "Trout Mask Replica", and I was
>hooked! This is one of the most challenging, unorthodox, heavy records
>I've ever heard, and it kept me wanting more. I eventually picked up his
>latest 2 cd comp "The Dust Blows Forward", and it features a pretty good
>cross section of his material with The Magic Band. However, it should be
>noted that not all of Beefheart's music is as free and unstructured as
>"Trout Mask Replica". Actually, I would categorize most of his work as
>being alternative blues, acid blues, or free blues. Basically, blues with
>an interesting twist.
>
> For those who prefer the weird stuff found on "Trout Mask Replica",
>Rhino records released a 4 cd boxset of the Trout Mask outtakes, and
>although I haven't heard it myself, a few knowledgable Beefheart fans that
>I know have said that it's nothing short of brilliant, essential listening.
>
> Lastly, for those who are still interested to keep reading,
>Beefhearts drummer circa the Trout Mask years, Drumbo, recently wrote a
>book on the time that he spent in the Magic Band, and let me tell you, it
>was interesting to say the least. According to him, Beefheart used to
>force his musicians to stay indoors for days at a time, rehearsing until
>they got the material right. Also, Drumbo claims that Beefheart used
>pretty extreme psychological cruelty to get his band to do his bidding. In
>any case, even those who are casual fans will have a blast reading this
>book. Check it out.
>
> Stimp
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Leslie N. Shill
> To: robert@vaneglory.com
> Cc: acid
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Re:Buena Vista
>
>
> Robert,
>
> i played one of your tracks last night, did you see the playlist i
>posted?
>
> as far as Ry is concerned, if you think about Captain Beefheart and
>Cooder's contribution to his music, say on "Safe As Milk", and you
>extrapolate that out through Ry's film scores, it is a really huge body of
>work but for the first time on Buena Vista, he was more obvious to me as
>the tourist, even as amazing a tourist as Ry is, he is definitely not
>Cuban! i comment on this in all respect for Ry Cooder, who i first met with
>the Captain.
>
> Does anyone else on the list know the work of Captain Beefheart? some
>of his work with Zappa is astonishing and i daresay that some of those
>songs, perhaps "Hot Rats" could be the basis for pretty sick remix tricks.
>
> leslie/The Power of Sound
>
>
> leslie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: robert@vaneglory.com
> To: Leslie N. Shill
> Cc: acid-jazz@ucsd.edu
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re:Buena Vista
>
>
> Leslie,
> And I've been watching Ry since 'Into the Purple Valley' and
>respected his contributions
> to the commercial music biz over the years.
> It was just comforting to have my guilty criticism validated aloud
>by others.
>
> Cheers!
> Robert
>
>
> "Leslie N. Shill" wrote:
>
> Robert, I have to agree with you about Ry Cooder on Buena Vista.
>Although I hold him very high regard as a musician, a writer and as a
>producer. the Cuban musicians are so connected to each other and intuitive
>about the playing of their fellow band members that Ry is pretty much
>superfluous. i understand why he went for the slide guitar but the result
>is a bit of a mish-mash for me. With Ali Farka Toure the production and
>seamless playing gave Ry a textural fit that was not at all obtrusive. To
>me the Cubans are just so damn goooood and they seem steeped in the
>foundation and layers of Cuban music! leslie/The Power of Sound
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