Re: Hiphop...dying?

From: Marco (freakymarco@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Dec 03 2001 - 22:12:14 CET

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    --- Calvin Ho <chairmancal@atomicattack.com> wrote:
    > What happened to good jazzy funky and clever Hiphop now?
    >
    > Based on Marco's feedback, I totally agree that hiphop
    > aint what it used to
    > be.

    Nah, hip hop ain't dying. Big and bloated maybe. A touch
    unhealthy (only on the outside - the core's still good).
    But not dying. (Krs sez the only way to kill hip hop is to
    rid the world of oppression. We're unfortunately, still a
    long ways away from that)

    It's just so big and ubiquitous now, it's harder to find
    the good stuff, but it's definately out there.

    As for it not being the way it used to be, well, that's not
    all bad. You can't just go on doing the same thing for ten
    years. If tribe or de la dropped an album which sounded
    exactly like Low End Theory or DLS Is Dead today, it still
    would'nt match those two just because of the time gone by.
    You can try to bring back the old school, a la Ugly
    Duckling, and yeah, it might be fun for a while, but it's
    short lived.

    --- Dirk van den Heuvel <dirkv@groovedis.com> wrote:
    > Maybe listening to so much underground, abstract,
    > instrumental tracks
    > I'm starved for in yer face, upbeat rap joints. A lot of
    > the stuff I
    > like is kinda party hip hop

    Yeah, lately I find myself guiltily enjoying ja-rule/j.lo
    "I'm Real" (he's got a great, gruff voice) and jay-Z
    "Izzo". Indeed the new Busta and Erick Sermon "Music"
    (with Marvin Gaye -- C'mon now, you can't front on Marvin)
    as well. Can't say the same about Britney, tho.

    --- "B. Graff" <b.graff@lycos.com> wrote:
    > I haven't quite understood what all the hype is on
    > Madlib. He is okay, something different from the norm,
    > but he isn't coming with the bomb beats that I keep
    > hearing he produces. In a lot of things I read people
    > are like he's the new Premier or Pete Rock and based on
    > what I've heard (some Lootpack, YNQ, a couple of
    > Quasimodo tracks) he's not in their league.

    I think one of the things with Madlib is just that he's so
    damn prolific. Like Prince, I guess, there's a lot of
    questionnable stuff, but when he's on, he's on. I mean in a
    year, there's been YNQ (full length, 2 ep's, singles with
    exclusive tracks...), the Declaim album, The Beat
    Conductor, Invasion...

    In response to him being called the next Primo or Pete
    Rock, I was reading somewhere that in a sense, it's not so
    much the sound of the production, but the fact that - like
    the latest Primo joint - it gets copped and praised based
    solely on the name attached to it, not necessarily on the
    strength of the beats. So in a sense, he is in their
    league.

    Mind you, I'm with JJB - I really liked the YNQ album. And
    if you're looking for some nice madlib tracks, might I
    suggest his 6 Variations of in the Rain 12" (B/w Cut
    Chemist - Bunky's Pick) and his remix of Peanut Butter
    Wolf's Definition of Ill. Hot!

    -np-
    v/a - Harlem World: the Sound of the Big Apple Rappin'
    bonobo - animal magic
    atjazz - it's complete 12" (Finally arrived!)

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