Re: hip hop dying

From: Dr. Axel Barcelo Aspeitia -- Investigador (abarcelo@minerva.filosoficas.unam.mx)
Date: Thu Dec 06 2001 - 19:15:12 CET

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    Talking about hip-hop culture in general. I just saw a very interesting
    documentary on the 'Aguila o Sol' series about the skate movement in
    Mexico City and half of it was devoted to what we would call hip-hop
    culture: mc-ing (they featured some awesome unsigned artists, mostly in
    their early teens I had never heard of!!), graffitti, breakdancing et. al.
    as a fundamental element of the skater scene. What is your opinion of the
    current relationship between skaters and hip-hop? Is it similar in other
    parts of the world?

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    On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Lynne d Johnson wrote:

    > have to say that although i too said hip hop was dying i didn't mean that
    > hip hop itself was dying but more or less hip hop as i once knew and loved
    > it was
    >
    > although there are a few good moments here and there
    >
    > there is still dilated peoples, mos def, madlib, the coup, de la soul, hi
    > tek and tabli kweli, blue black and asheru, divine styler, bahamidia,
    > medusa, and other cats like that
    >
    > and it is true that hip hop is so global...everywhere you go there is some
    > form of hip hop
    > only difference in other countries more than just the music element is still
    > alive
    > dance, graf, and djing are important too
    >
    > the mc is not king everywhere else
    >
    > and truth be told, they love the jay z's, dmx's, ja rule's, et al, all
    > across the world
    >
    >
    >
    > From: Calvin Ho <chairmancal@atomicattack.com>
    > Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:36:24 +0800
    > To: <b.graff@lycos.com>, <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    > Subject: Re: Hiphop...dieing?
    >
    >
    > I agree. Though music today whether it'll be this hip hop thread or any
    > other music has matured in music production 20 fold. Even back in those
    > dinosaur period days of hiphop, tracks which were somewhat underground ended
    > up in the top 40 anyway, especially in the UK. House and hiphop tracks like
    > Tyree Cooper, Stakker Humanoid, A Guy Called Gerald, Cookie Crew, Bomb Da
    > Bass, and Beats International (the list can go on) were doing tracks which
    > to me considered to be pioneering but remained on the commercial tip too,
    > and thinking back then it might be just coincidence that this happened or is
    > it the unavoidable two sides of the coin in the music business, not having
    > one without the other?
    >
    > I wonder if we can start putting a collaborated list together of artists who
    > are doing the "AJ theory" in hiphop.
    >
    > Calvin
    >
    >
    > >
    > > I'm going to have to fall in the middle of the "hip hop is/isn't dying" issue.
    > > I think the growing influence (domination?) on culture and the way so many
    > > artists across the globe are incorporating it is proof of its continued
    > > potency.
    > >
    > > On the other hand, rap has split into so many different segments that it's a
    > > matter of time before somebody starts describing one of the branches as
    > > something independent of hip-hop. I think that is part of the maturation that
    > > someone else spoke of. Also, the question of who or what is driving the
    > > direction of rap remains open to interpretation.
    > >
    > > Additionally, I'm not sure if those of us who are in our late 20s and up will
    > > ever feel the same attachment to today's artists as we do about those from the
    > > golden age of the late 80s and early 90s. Times were different back then and
    > > there weren't as many commercial pressures on artists as there are now. So
    > > even though Jay-Z is an extremely gifted lyricist and Ludacris, Cash Money and
    > > Nelly all have blazing beats, the fact that they're blatant about their
    > > commercialism makes some people want to deny them their props.
    > >
    > >
    > > ---
    > > B.Graff
    > > www.allthingsdeep.com
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    >



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