Talking about hip-hop culture in general. I just saw a very interesting
documentary on the 'Aguila o Sol' series about the skate movement in
Mexico City and half of it was devoted to what we would call hip-hop
culture: mc-ing (they featured some awesome unsigned artists, mostly in
their early teens I had never heard of!!), graffitti, breakdancing et. al.
as a fundamental element of the skater scene. What is your opinion of the
current relationship between skaters and hip-hop? Is it similar in other
parts of the world?
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Lynne d Johnson wrote:
> have to say that although i too said hip hop was dying i didn't mean that
> hip hop itself was dying but more or less hip hop as i once knew and loved
> it was
>
> although there are a few good moments here and there
>
> there is still dilated peoples, mos def, madlib, the coup, de la soul, hi
> tek and tabli kweli, blue black and asheru, divine styler, bahamidia,
> medusa, and other cats like that
>
> and it is true that hip hop is so global...everywhere you go there is some
> form of hip hop
> only difference in other countries more than just the music element is still
> alive
> dance, graf, and djing are important too
>
> the mc is not king everywhere else
>
> and truth be told, they love the jay z's, dmx's, ja rule's, et al, all
> across the world
>
>
>
> From: Calvin Ho <chairmancal@atomicattack.com>
> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:36:24 +0800
> To: <b.graff@lycos.com>, <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
> Subject: Re: Hiphop...dieing?
>
>
> I agree. Though music today whether it'll be this hip hop thread or any
> other music has matured in music production 20 fold. Even back in those
> dinosaur period days of hiphop, tracks which were somewhat underground ended
> up in the top 40 anyway, especially in the UK. House and hiphop tracks like
> Tyree Cooper, Stakker Humanoid, A Guy Called Gerald, Cookie Crew, Bomb Da
> Bass, and Beats International (the list can go on) were doing tracks which
> to me considered to be pioneering but remained on the commercial tip too,
> and thinking back then it might be just coincidence that this happened or is
> it the unavoidable two sides of the coin in the music business, not having
> one without the other?
>
> I wonder if we can start putting a collaborated list together of artists who
> are doing the "AJ theory" in hiphop.
>
> Calvin
>
>
> >
> > I'm going to have to fall in the middle of the "hip hop is/isn't dying" issue.
> > I think the growing influence (domination?) on culture and the way so many
> > artists across the globe are incorporating it is proof of its continued
> > potency.
> >
> > On the other hand, rap has split into so many different segments that it's a
> > matter of time before somebody starts describing one of the branches as
> > something independent of hip-hop. I think that is part of the maturation that
> > someone else spoke of. Also, the question of who or what is driving the
> > direction of rap remains open to interpretation.
> >
> > Additionally, I'm not sure if those of us who are in our late 20s and up will
> > ever feel the same attachment to today's artists as we do about those from the
> > golden age of the late 80s and early 90s. Times were different back then and
> > there weren't as many commercial pressures on artists as there are now. So
> > even though Jay-Z is an extremely gifted lyricist and Ludacris, Cash Money and
> > Nelly all have blazing beats, the fact that they're blatant about their
> > commercialism makes some people want to deny them their props.
> >
> >
> > ---
> > B.Graff
> > www.allthingsdeep.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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