Re: Broken Beats and Hard House

From: eric kitel (eric@ayalounge.com)
Date: Wed Dec 12 2001 - 18:41:26 CET

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    true, the stuff I like does have some what of a progressive sound, thought
    it's usually called tech house or tribal, I don't know if there's really a
    difference, except that the term progressive is used to indicate that it's
    more blatantly commercial. Actually the stuff like on this Pete Heller mix
    http://www.thump-radio.com/music/show_page.cfm?showID=134 is really what I'm
    after, or what I'm really after it ideas on how to mix this kind of stuff
    with Broken Beats, since I can't do a whole Broken Beat/Nu Jazz night around
    here, but I do want to educate people about it somewhat by combining it with
    more familiar sounds

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Olaf Molenveld" <olaf@interactivelink.nl>
    To: "eric kitel" <eric@ayalounge.com>; "Stavros Zanos" <zanos@otenet.gr>;
    <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 12:26 PM
    Subject: Re: Broken Beats and Hard House

    > i guess you're looking for the more "progressive" house stuff that has a
    lot
    > of dark tribal influences....
    > hard house is really stupid fast house music with deranged children
    > melodies.....i agree with Stavros that brokenbeats and hard house don't
    > really mix, especially cause i think those are aimed at 2 *very* different
    > audiences...
    >
    > i would suggest you check out some records under the "progressive" and
    > "tribal" labels in your local recordstore....stuff like halo and hip-e,
    > 6400crew etc. will prolly be more what you're looking for than the hard
    > house stuff
    >
    > Olaf
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: eric kitel <eric@ayalounge.com>
    > To: Stavros Zanos <zanos@otenet.gr>; <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:51 PM
    > Subject: Re: Broken Beats and Hard House
    >
    >
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Stavros Zanos" <zanos@otenet.gr>
    > >
    > > > forgive me if i may seem too 'purist', but i think this combination
    > > > (brokenbeat/ hardhouse) has no artistic/aesthetic relevance; unless
    > > > 'hardhouse' is a different style than that i know of (banging 'music'
    > > > in the mauro piccotto, nick sentience, nukleuz, etc vein--absolutely
    > > > NO relation to detroit techno/electro etc). forgive me, but
    > > > 'hardhouse' or 'psy-trance' or 'gabber' etc will never come close to
    > > > ANY jazz and soul-related music i know of...it's like trying to blend
    > > > oil and water--they'll just move to different levels within the pot.
    > > >
    > >
    > > I don't recognize any of the artists you mention, but like I said I'm
    > > looking for minimal, tribal, "deep" dubbed out stuff, that is also
    > bangin',
    > > I mean like around 130 bpm, (as opposed to 140 or 120).... I don't
    really
    > > know about detroit techno, as that was before my time, however I do
    enjoy
    > > some recent releases by Kirk DeGiorgio, John Tejada, and Future Beat
    > > Alliance, and I understand that all of these have some relation to the
    > > original Detroit Sound.
    > >
    > > Deep House is nice, especially when it's done well. I think
    > > selection/programming is more important there than in any other genre.
    I
    > > don't think it mixes well with most broken beat material, that's mostly
    in
    > > the 130-135 bpm range, unless you pitch it down and make it sound weird
    > > which just sounds weird.
    > >
    >



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