Thank you Gen!
after reading Erik's response to the attitudinal comment by Pedro, my back
did go up some! To me this list is an incredible resource of what and who
are the happening points in music. While i tolerate the occasional postings
of people's gigs and have posted those for myself, the reduction of this
list to another trading post of material that is copywritten and thus
protected, is obviously not acceptable to me and i for one would like to see
it disappear from this list. i am not about to condone the wholesale and
carte blanche copying of protected, creative material that Pedro seems to
consider his right! The stretch from the discussion on, say, the Jazz series
was quite valuable to me and gave me pause for thought and a lot of insight
about various things. When people post their gigs I have the interest of
seeing who is doing what where and that's fine, but the posting of a very
long list of material to trade for is not really acceptable to me although i
am not going to condemn Pedro for doing it, he should continue to do what he
wants to do but just take a little time to consider the fact of copy and
other rights that accrue to creative product. People creating the kind of
musics so well loved by the listees here can do without any sort of drain
such as that represented by the wholesale burning of CD's of their material.
Pedro, if this is so important to you and seemingly such a negative to many
of us here on this list, why can you not refrain from posting your trading
cheatsheet on this list? There must be other places for you to play this
game. If you think that i am taking the higher ground then so be it but, as
Erik points out, this list is for discussion and for sharing musical
knowledge and interest, not a CD-r trading post. All of the "interested"
parties could conceivably begin their own site for "trading", how about that
Pedro?
leslie/The Power of Sound
----- Original Message -----
From: Gen Kanai <gkanai@earthlink.net>
To: acid <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
Cc: Leslie N. Shill <icehouse@redshift.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: + CDr Trades +
> Amen, Leslie! Couldn't have said it better myself.
>
> It's obvious if you go back to the list archives there's really only one
> person who continually asks for trades on this list (not to mention
> cross-posting to about 5 other lists at the same time.)
>
> Many of us spend a lot of money every month for new music. How much one
> spends per month has NO BEARING whatsoever on the immorality of trading
> commercial releases (i.e. not concert/live recordings.)
>
> In many ways, pirating underground dance music (much of what we talk about
> on this list) is much more harmful to the overall health of the music
> market than pirating the new Madonna or Ricky Martin single/CD. The
> popular producers and artists have a measure of success and can withstand
a
> certain amount of pirating (and there's certainly a lot of it) because
they
> can make it up in volume and can draw in large profits from their live
tours.
>
> Obviously, pirating underground dance music hurts those artists much more
> because they don't see the volume of the pop stars and don't make the
> profits touring that pop stars do. It's kind of cutting off your nose to
> spite your face - or sacrificing the long-term viability of the artists
> you're pirating because they won't see any profits from you and all the
> other pirates.
>
> On a purely economic level, don't forget to take into account the time and
> money people put into pirating (at the individual level, not talking about
> large-scale pirating schemes) probably equals the money it would take to
> buy the commercial release; (how much do you value an hour's worth of your
> time it takes to buy a CD-R, burn a CD, package it, postage it, bring it
to
> the post office, etc.) I personally value my time and effort a lot more
> than it would take to find a person to trade with and make that trade
> happen. My economics tell me that it's cheaper to spend my money in the
> store than it would be to spend my weekend burning CD-Rs to trade - but
> that's because I value my time a lot more than pirates do.
>
> Pirates should go to usenet or irc to chat with their kind. That's where
> all the significant pirating happens anyway.
>
> Sick and tired of trading requests and the motivations behind it,
>
> Gen
>
> At 12:27 PM 2/25/01 -0800, Leslie N. Shill wrote:
> >it is important to
> >me to support as many artists as i can by actually buying their discs. By
> >buying the discs i am making my own small contribution to the well-being
of
> >the artists, independent music and to the creative process, i think that
is
> >more important than the ultimate size and scope of my own personal
> >collection of discs.
>
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