Re: + CDr Trades +

From: Red Sea (tchucky@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Feb 26 2001 - 16:10:27 CET

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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Leslie N. Shill <icehouse@redshift.com>
    To: Gen Kanai <gkanai@earthlink.net>
    Cc: acid <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 11:02 PM
    Subject: Re: + CDr Trades +

    > Thank you Gen!
    >
    > after reading Erik's response to the attitudinal comment by Pedro, my back
    > did go up some! To me this list is an incredible resource of what and who
    > are the happening points in music. While i tolerate the occasional
    postings
    > of people's gigs and have posted those for myself, the reduction of this
    > list to another trading post of material that is copywritten and thus
    > protected, is obviously not acceptable to me and i for one would like to
    see
    > it disappear from this list. i am not about to condone the wholesale and
    > carte blanche copying of protected, creative material that Pedro seems to
    > consider his right! The stretch from the discussion on, say, the Jazz
    series
    > was quite valuable to me and gave me pause for thought and a lot of
    insight
    > about various things. When people post their gigs I have the interest of
    > seeing who is doing what where and that's fine, but the posting of a very
    > long list of material to trade for is not really acceptable to me although
    i
    > am not going to condemn Pedro for doing it, he should continue to do what
    he
    > wants to do but just take a little time to consider the fact of copy and
    > other rights that accrue to creative product. People creating the kind of
    > musics so well loved by the listees here can do without any sort of drain
    > such as that represented by the wholesale burning of CD's of their
    material.
    >
    > Pedro, if this is so important to you and seemingly such a negative to
    many
    > of us here on this list, why can you not refrain from posting your trading
    > cheatsheet on this list? There must be other places for you to play this
    > game. If you think that i am taking the higher ground then so be it but,
    as
    > Erik points out, this list is for discussion and for sharing musical
    > knowledge and interest, not a CD-r trading post. All of the "interested"
    > parties could conceivably begin their own site for "trading", how about
    that
    > Pedro?
    >
    > leslie/The Power of Sound
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: Gen Kanai <gkanai@earthlink.net>
    > To: acid <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    > Cc: Leslie N. Shill <icehouse@redshift.com>
    > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 5:38 PM
    > Subject: Re: + CDr Trades +
    >
    >
    > > Amen, Leslie! Couldn't have said it better myself.
    > >
    > > It's obvious if you go back to the list archives there's really only one
    > > person who continually asks for trades on this list (not to mention
    > > cross-posting to about 5 other lists at the same time.)
    > >
    > > Many of us spend a lot of money every month for new music. How much one
    > > spends per month has NO BEARING whatsoever on the immorality of trading
    > > commercial releases (i.e. not concert/live recordings.)
    > >
    > > In many ways, pirating underground dance music (much of what we talk
    about
    > > on this list) is much more harmful to the overall health of the music
    > > market than pirating the new Madonna or Ricky Martin single/CD. The
    > > popular producers and artists have a measure of success and can
    withstand
    > a
    > > certain amount of pirating (and there's certainly a lot of it) because
    > they
    > > can make it up in volume and can draw in large profits from their live
    > tours.
    > >
    > > Obviously, pirating underground dance music hurts those artists much
    more
    > > because they don't see the volume of the pop stars and don't make the
    > > profits touring that pop stars do. It's kind of cutting off your nose
    to
    > > spite your face - or sacrificing the long-term viability of the artists
    > > you're pirating because they won't see any profits from you and all the
    > > other pirates.
    > >
    > > On a purely economic level, don't forget to take into account the time
    and
    > > money people put into pirating (at the individual level, not talking
    about
    > > large-scale pirating schemes) probably equals the money it would take to
    > > buy the commercial release; (how much do you value an hour's worth of
    your
    > > time it takes to buy a CD-R, burn a CD, package it, postage it, bring it
    > to
    > > the post office, etc.) I personally value my time and effort a lot more
    > > than it would take to find a person to trade with and make that trade
    > > happen. My economics tell me that it's cheaper to spend my money in the
    > > store than it would be to spend my weekend burning CD-Rs to trade - but
    > > that's because I value my time a lot more than pirates do.
    > >
    > > Pirates should go to usenet or irc to chat with their kind. That's
    where
    > > all the significant pirating happens anyway.
    > >
    > > Sick and tired of trading requests and the motivations behind it,
    > >
    > > Gen
    > >
    > > At 12:27 PM 2/25/01 -0800, Leslie N. Shill wrote:
    > > >it is important to
    > > >me to support as many artists as i can by actually buying their discs.
    By
    > > >buying the discs i am making my own small contribution to the
    well-being
    > of
    > > >the artists, independent music and to the creative process, i think
    that
    > is
    > > >more important than the ultimate size and scope of my own personal
    > > >collection of discs.
    > >
    >
    >



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