----- Original Message -----
From: Leslie N. Shill <icehouse@redshift.com>
To: Gen Kanai <gkanai@earthlink.net>
Cc: acid <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: + CDr Trades +
> Thank you Gen!
>
> after reading Erik's response to the attitudinal comment by Pedro, my back
> did go up some! To me this list is an incredible resource of what and who
> are the happening points in music. While i tolerate the occasional
postings
> of people's gigs and have posted those for myself, the reduction of this
> list to another trading post of material that is copywritten and thus
> protected, is obviously not acceptable to me and i for one would like to
see
> it disappear from this list. i am not about to condone the wholesale and
> carte blanche copying of protected, creative material that Pedro seems to
> consider his right! The stretch from the discussion on, say, the Jazz
series
> was quite valuable to me and gave me pause for thought and a lot of
insight
> about various things. When people post their gigs I have the interest of
> seeing who is doing what where and that's fine, but the posting of a very
> long list of material to trade for is not really acceptable to me although
i
> am not going to condemn Pedro for doing it, he should continue to do what
he
> wants to do but just take a little time to consider the fact of copy and
> other rights that accrue to creative product. People creating the kind of
> musics so well loved by the listees here can do without any sort of drain
> such as that represented by the wholesale burning of CD's of their
material.
>
> Pedro, if this is so important to you and seemingly such a negative to
many
> of us here on this list, why can you not refrain from posting your trading
> cheatsheet on this list? There must be other places for you to play this
> game. If you think that i am taking the higher ground then so be it but,
as
> Erik points out, this list is for discussion and for sharing musical
> knowledge and interest, not a CD-r trading post. All of the "interested"
> parties could conceivably begin their own site for "trading", how about
that
> Pedro?
>
> leslie/The Power of Sound
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gen Kanai <gkanai@earthlink.net>
> To: acid <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
> Cc: Leslie N. Shill <icehouse@redshift.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 5:38 PM
> Subject: Re: + CDr Trades +
>
>
> > Amen, Leslie! Couldn't have said it better myself.
> >
> > It's obvious if you go back to the list archives there's really only one
> > person who continually asks for trades on this list (not to mention
> > cross-posting to about 5 other lists at the same time.)
> >
> > Many of us spend a lot of money every month for new music. How much one
> > spends per month has NO BEARING whatsoever on the immorality of trading
> > commercial releases (i.e. not concert/live recordings.)
> >
> > In many ways, pirating underground dance music (much of what we talk
about
> > on this list) is much more harmful to the overall health of the music
> > market than pirating the new Madonna or Ricky Martin single/CD. The
> > popular producers and artists have a measure of success and can
withstand
> a
> > certain amount of pirating (and there's certainly a lot of it) because
> they
> > can make it up in volume and can draw in large profits from their live
> tours.
> >
> > Obviously, pirating underground dance music hurts those artists much
more
> > because they don't see the volume of the pop stars and don't make the
> > profits touring that pop stars do. It's kind of cutting off your nose
to
> > spite your face - or sacrificing the long-term viability of the artists
> > you're pirating because they won't see any profits from you and all the
> > other pirates.
> >
> > On a purely economic level, don't forget to take into account the time
and
> > money people put into pirating (at the individual level, not talking
about
> > large-scale pirating schemes) probably equals the money it would take to
> > buy the commercial release; (how much do you value an hour's worth of
your
> > time it takes to buy a CD-R, burn a CD, package it, postage it, bring it
> to
> > the post office, etc.) I personally value my time and effort a lot more
> > than it would take to find a person to trade with and make that trade
> > happen. My economics tell me that it's cheaper to spend my money in the
> > store than it would be to spend my weekend burning CD-Rs to trade - but
> > that's because I value my time a lot more than pirates do.
> >
> > Pirates should go to usenet or irc to chat with their kind. That's
where
> > all the significant pirating happens anyway.
> >
> > Sick and tired of trading requests and the motivations behind it,
> >
> > Gen
> >
> > At 12:27 PM 2/25/01 -0800, Leslie N. Shill wrote:
> > >it is important to
> > >me to support as many artists as i can by actually buying their discs.
By
> > >buying the discs i am making my own small contribution to the
well-being
> of
> > >the artists, independent music and to the creative process, i think
that
> is
> > >more important than the ultimate size and scope of my own personal
> > >collection of discs.
> >
>
>
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