coffee is a drug too ;) (caffeine)
i have to agree with t-bird on this.....discussing drugs isn't even that OT
on a music mailinglist though as it's known that a lot of musicians use it
as an inspirational tool...
the funny thing is: before one (yes, 1) american guy started his personal
quest against drugs using drugs was a accepted passtime..people like Albert
Einstein etc. were casual coke users, housewifes were doing all kinds of
drugs, it was seen as something next to coffee..a stimulating substance
(btw, i am addicted to coffee, physically, i get headaches when i don't
drink coffee in the morning)...
i don't remember the name of this one american guy, but he had a lot of
political influences and als founded either the CIA or the FBI in his
personal war, and probably also the DEA.....sometimes he would let
scientists do tests on the effects of marihuana but it always turned out
that it wasn't so unhealthy or addictive at all, and then those reports were
just put beneath some pile in a backroom and his war continued...
i once did see a 2 hour documentary about this guy, it made me really sick,
how one person's personal obsession could make the whole generations view on
drugs is entirely based on *his* obsession and how many people got thrown in
jail and got their lifes ruined *only* because this guy proclaimed ALL
drugs, including marihuana (what we call soft-drugs over here in the
netherlands) had to be bad, denying all the scientific results that were
presented to him....not to mention the billions of dollars that are spend on
(in my eyes) useless police actions and imprisonment of people using or
selling softdrugs in tiny amounts for personal use, and in the meantime
pushing all those tiny users and sellers into the illegal regions...
sorry for this somewhat vague messsage without any hardcore data, it's still
early and i need my coffee ;)
Olaf
----- Original Message -----
From: t bird <djt_bird@yahoo.com>
To: <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
Sent: donderdag 8 november 2001 4:31
Subject: drugs--another viewpoint (Re: Gil Scott-Heron Sentenced)
> disclaimer: i am not *advocating* drug use, just a
> fair view of the situation.
>
> > > What a waste of a gifted man. Drugs suck.
>
> drugs, per se, don't suck--*addiction* to them sucks.
>
>
> example: many people have a problem w/controlling
> their alchohol intake, while many others (including
> people on this list) enjoy a good pint, glass of wine,
> or mixed drink. the only difference to me is that
> alchohol is legal and therefore regulated for
> quality/content--i.e., if people die from drinking a
> particular spirit, etc. the company manufacturing it
> is legally responsible. with "illicit" substances
> "you pays your money, you take your chances..."
>
> keep in mind, during prohibition in the u.s. (we
> outlawed purchase and consumption of alchohol in the
> early 20th century) the same kind of thing was
> happening with "moonshine" (illegal grain alchohol) as
> we have now with crack cocaine and extacy--people were
> dying from drinking impure liquor.
>
> > In agreement with you, drugs make men/women turn
> > into evil.
>
> i beg to differ with that. many respected artists and
> intellectuals have been drug users--and it wasn't
> considered problematic. aldous huxley ("brave new
> world") was a proponent of lsd, as was *john coltrane*
> (read about the recording of "om"). carlos casteneda
> is famous for his peyote experiences--he started out
> as a student just trying to get a buzz and ended up on
> a spiritual quest.
>
> > As we can all
> > see, Gil hasn't really done much for output's sake
> > recently to make his
> > drug-use an influence for his work. Regardless, I
> > think the judge's
> > decision is right because Gil is building himself a
> > coffin. If anything Gil
> > needs help maybe before jail but apparantly he was
> > offered that beforehand.
>
> i'll agree that gil needed the
> intervention--desperately--but the problem isn't the
> drugs, it was his denial of his abuse.
>
> > PS: I've never done any drugs ever so maybe I'm
> > biased but honestly the
> > only thing I can see them doing is hitting a chunk
> > out of people's wallets.
>
> i feel the same way about gambling, but again the
> problem is *addiction*, not the drug use/gambling.
>
> > Not even marijuana.
>
> do you drink alchohol? that is a drug also...
>
> -t
>
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