From: Christopher Grass (bluesjumper_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 2003-06-24 05:10:12
I think a little perspective is needed here. Comparing a SOUNDTRACK album
with a DANCE album is hardly fair, and if you haven't picked up the Man With
a Movie Camera DVD, you are missing out on the entire experience. I don't
think Mr. Swinscoe set out to make a "grooving" danceable soundtrack. The
Orchestra performing a new score for a classic silent film is (to me,
anyway) the full realization of what the group is capable of. Have you ever
really tried to "groove" to a movie soundtrack? The only reason I even
purchase movie scores these days is to relive a bit of the film, which
happens when I listen to certain musical cues. Ever seen the restored
"Metropolis"? With the restored score? It's a great experience...and I
really think that the CO's new score to "Movie Camera" lets me view the film
in a completely different light, just like the "new" cues for Metropolis.
Besides, who ever said that the Cinematic Orchestra were a dance group?? A
jazz ensemble, maybe, although I think of the group as an amalgamation of
different styles. Also, much of the new score is music taken directly from
the Everyday album, albeit in an extended form. I don't recall anyone here
saying THAT was a bland album. Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions,
but just remember: This soundtrack is not a true album by the group. It's a
soundtrack, and like any movie score, it needs to be married with the visual
elements of the film...but at the same time evoke feelings and memories when
it's heard on its own. Hell, when I listen to the album Every Day, I now
think of the "Movie Camera" film! That wasn't too difficult anyway, since I
have always listened to that album and thought, "Wow, this would have made a
great score to a movie". As for the group's weaknesses performing live, I
already mentioned how they need to utilize vocalists more; audiences seem to
need someone to focus on...and even if the group can't manage that at all
times, I know they can rip out some killer solos. Oh, and by the
way...whenever I'm out spinning Evolution Pt. 2, there is always someone
dancing...so much for not being able to groove, eh?
Peace
PS - go listen to some old Kenny Barron albums...you'll find some
interesting similarities between his playing style and the Orchestra's.
>From: "Gordon DeVillers" <gorddev_at_hotmail.com>
>To: <acid-jazz_at_ucsd.edu>
>Subject: Fw: [acid-jazz] FW: Cancelled - JULY 1 The Cinematic Orchestra
>Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:13:35 -0400
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gordon DeVillers" <gorddev_at_hotmail.com>
>To: "Jon Bonanno" <jon_at_bondesen-graup.com>
>Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 6:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] FW: Cancelled - JULY 1 The Cinematic Orchestra
>
>
> > I'd like to take this a step further and call on the album "Man with the
> > Movie Camera". Being a fan of the movie and taking the opinions on this
>list
> > seriously I picked up the album and I'm disappointed. Way too much hype
>for
> > a bland soundtrack. I'm starting to tire of the "groove with timid and
> > unimaginative playing" genre. I much prefer the new Jazztronik on the
>jazzy
> > side of things or the Zero dB reconstruction album which I'm having a
>hard
> > time believing how good it is. Also loving the newish Freddie Hubbard 2
>disc
> > anthology on soul brother records.
> > Gord
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jon Bonanno" <jon_at_bondesen-graup.com>
> > To: "'J-Justice'" <jason_at_suntzusound.com>; "'Peter Nicholson'"
> > <bournik_at_svn.net>; "'Acid Jazz List'" <acid-jazz_at_ucsd.edu>
> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 1:34 PM
> > Subject: RE: [acid-jazz] FW: Cancelled - JULY 1 The Cinematic Orchestra
> >
> >
> > > I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but I think we need to keep the
> > > quality of Cinematic Orchestra's music in perspective. As live jazz
> > > musicians their talents are suspect (also see: Koop). For those of
>you
> > > that enjoyed Cinematic so much in concert I have to words for you:
> > > Pharoah Sanders.
> > >
> > > I was seriously bored at the Cinematic's recent LA show and am
>thinking
> > > of avoiding musicians who make pleasant cross genre albums, but pass
> > > themselves off as jazz musicians in concert. I thought for sure that
> > > Cinematic would bring something different to their live performance
>(and
> > > unless you call a few turntable provided beats something different);
> > > they didn't.
> > >
> > > In a strange way, I find Zero 7 more compelling live than either
> > > Cinematic or Koop.
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > > p.s. You can blame the tone of this on the fact that it's Monday
>morning
> > > - yuck!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: J-Justice [mailto:jason_at_suntzusound.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:10 AM
> > > To: Peter Nicholson; Acid Jazz List
> > > Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] FW: Cancelled - JULY 1 The Cinematic
>Orchestra
> > >
> > > the last song is
> > > theme de yoyo
> > > by the art ensemble of chicago.
> > >
> > > the seattle show went off without a hitch.
> > > the room was packed
> > > the band was tight.
> > > i know that had a good time cuz they came out and danced after their
> > > set was over to my DJ set.
> > >
> > > it was a very special night....
> > >
> > > dont miss them!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: Peter Nicholson <bournik_at_svn.net>
> > > > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:42:07 -0700
> > > > To: Michael Greenleaf <mikey_at_suntzusound.com>
> > > > Cc: acid-jazz_at_ucsd.edu
> > > > Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] FW: Cancelled - JULY 1 The Cinematic
> > > Orchestra
> > > >
> > > > SF's date was great -- not exactly flawless, but with energy enough
>to
> > > > make up for some out of sync moments. The vocalist and J Swinscoe
> > > both
> > > > apologized for 'technical difficulties', but it really wasn't all
>that
> > > > apparent. And the last number was a truly amazing freak-out with
>some
> > > > hilarious lyrics -- "Your ass is like two sperm whales, swimming
>down
> > > > the Thames." !?! Nice to see an act with a good sense of humor.
> > > > anyone know why the 1st NY show was cancelled?
> > > > -pn
> > > >
> > > > Michael Greenleaf wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> btw; the seattle show was amazing... :)))
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> CANCELLED -
> > > >>> Tuesday, July 1 The Cinematic Orchestra
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Refunds will be given upon request at your point of purchase only
> > > >>> until
> > > >>> July 1.
> > > >>> *Tix purchased for this date will be honored at the Wed, July 2
> > > >>> Cinematic
> > > >>> Orchestra show at The Bowery Ballroom.
> > > >>> *Promises to be a special show!!
> > > >>> *They will Not be performing score to "Man With a Movie Camera"
> > > >>> Tickets for July 2 are available at www.ticketweb.com and at our
> > > Mercury
> > > >>> Lounge box office, 12-7pm Mon - Sat.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Wednesday, July 2 -
> > > >>> 10:00 The Cinematic Orchestra
> > > >>> 9:30 Karsh Kale - DJ Set
> > > >>> $16 / 21+
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thank You,
> > > >>> The Bowery Ballroom
> > > >>>
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