From: Olaf Molenveld (olaf_at_interactivelink.nl)
Date: 2004-01-21 16:40:50
hmmm... is that why some people look so strange when i pull out some 12"
vinyl and mix it as tight as using CD's the rest of the night? ;)
i understand your points, but i think these days a lot of old-skool DJ's are
*also* using vinyl, and some (like me) have switched almost entirely to CD's
for one reason or the other..... my experience is that the peeps who are
looking down on DJ's using something else than vinyl are 9/10 times young
wannabe DJ's who are more concerned about image than about the content, ie
music, and their mission: to make the dancefloor move their asses....
a nice quote i read the other day, which made me think: "I never heard any
DJ's waxing "romance" about their records until the major labels talked
about discontinuing vinyl production before any decent DJ-orientated CD
players existed."
Olaf
----- Original Message -----
From: M Elliot-Knight <fmcmurry_at_hotmail.com>
To: <bluesjumper_at_hotmail.com>; <olaf_at_interactivelink.nl>;
<phil.broekelmann_at_compost-rec.com>; <acid-jazz_at_ucsd.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] Final Scratch
> I think most of it has to do with DJ culture and how CDs were marketed as
> better than records, how they were going to replace/wipe-out vinyl
records,
> etc. I think there was a fair amount of animosity from vinyl enthusiasts
> (DJs included) toward CDs because of that. Wrapped up in there is the
mass
> production of CDs and the major label mark-up of them when it costs so
> little to make - compared to the "craft" of mastering and pressing vinyl
> along with all the additional production extras that you can do with
vinyl:
> coloured wax, picture discs, gate-fold or special die cut sleeves, reverse
> playing pressings (play from inside out), double groove presses, locked
> grooves, odd shaped vinyl (triangle, saw tooth, guitar shaped vinyl,
etc.) -
> meanwhile the CD is round and comes in a square plastic box for the
majority
> of releases. Some labels and artists have found creative things to do with
> CD packaging but the CD itself has to be round and in most CD players you
> don't really get to see it play. Pretty boring.
>
> However, I think it mostly stems from the immediate defense that vinyl
> lovers were put on by the CD marketing. I remember it being quite heated
and
> there was the whole "Save the Vinyl" campaign.
>
> Spinning on Final Scratch is at least trying to emulate the vinyl
experience
> - while I think might possibly see CD DJs as either "traitors" of a sort
or
> as people who never really got into the original vinyl DJ culture so they
> are missing a large part of shared experiences. Essentially, a CD DJ and a
> vinyl DJ have a harder time relating to each other becuase they don't
share
> the same experiences. It's like a painter who only deals in oils and an
> artist who only uses charcoals. They both make similar visual art but
their
> mediums are totally different and they will have different experiences
> because of the characteristics of their medium and the culture built up
> around those mediums.
>
> Michael
>
> >From: "Christopher Grass" <bluesjumper_at_hotmail.com>
> >To: olaf_at_interactivelink.nl, phil.broekelmann_at_compost-rec.com,
> >acid-jazz_at_ucsd.edu
> >Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] Final Scratch
> >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:15:08 +0000
> >
> >I don't mean to start any sort of debate here, but I'm kind of curious
> >about something involving Final Scratch and its ilk. I spin mostly CD's,
> >and on occasion I'll take some heat for it (even though I use CDJ-1000s).
> >From what I've been seeing lately, and what I've been hearing from vinyl
> >DJ's, using Final Scratch is more acceptable (even preferable) to
spinning
> >on CD's. Why is this? I understand the whole control issue, which isn't
> >as much an issue these days...but the argument for using vinyl that I
> >always hear is over sound quality - "vinyl sounds better". If this is
> >true, then why go to a medium that doesn't sound anywhere near as good?
> >Sure, hi bitrate MP3's sound almost as good as CD's, but they are even
less
> >warm in sound. Any comments? This is more a curiousity thing, as
> >sometimes I get a bit frustrated seeing laptop DJ's get more respect than
> >CD DJ's who are just as good. I am a big fan of the program, by the way.
> >
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