june@tough.com
Tue, 7 Dec 1999 09:07:42 -0500 (EST)
hello people,
and here's the last words on this UK/US, damn, even french hip hop... i promise!
Erik Gaderlund wrote:
>So, what's your opinion on Suprême NTM?
they just suck, that's all. their lyrics are a big joke, and since they do some parallel projects, it's 3 jokes instead of one. Joey Starr (the "i-open-my-mouth-larger-than-yours guy) do "BOSS" which means Boss of scandalz strategy (lol), with some others golden teeths, while Kool Shen start "4 my people" with, for example, one of the Sages Poétes de la rue, which was one of the best french hip hop acts (real lyrics, consciousness here, and fat beats on a jazzy or core vibe, really well done). Check out the first Sages Po if you can find, it, from around 93-94. it was kickin, really. as...
>I really liked "Authentik"--trying to find it on vinyl.
you're right on this one. at the time, NTM was a kind of ghetto blaster fom some not nice at all places near Paris (St Denis), and their lyrics were not what they do since 2 or 3 years. too much chemicals? too much money (means too big head)? anyway, the 2 guys kicked out their (really good dj) to start what seems like a poor nyc shit crew, with some "come in my Mercedes, just playing with my dick, just look at this ass, it makes me wild..." do we really need this in hip hop? i'm not pro feminist in general, but i think respect is something that is important, the "fly-girl" in hip hop was just a joke too. how many real hip hop female artists for how many bitches just moovin their tits around in videos. look at ntm now, holly shit! minimal beats (it's ok if it's well done), but their lyrics, their lyrics!!! it's bad, bad written, no sense plus they take themselves for the only answer to today's french music...
what an alternative. anyway, if you people of this list don't agree with me, it's ok, but if you need help to dig lyrics, i'm ok for lettin you know what these popular guys says in their songs. and, why not, to do some tapes of what is hype here (99% of lame shit), and on what artist we can wait something ok ; that just sucks that i don't have my own connected cpu at home (writing from public shared compu now), cause i could do some mixed mp3 (demos only, don't wanna get problemzzz) and send it to you curious acid-jazz junkies... UK is really on a higher ground. it's true that france comes second after usa in hip hop sales, and on number of productions. but on terms of quality (and it's what is important, i think everybody will agree on this), i assure you that you UK, US, even Japan, Germany, Mexico, etc.. have got a lot of better stuff... Jupiter Jam is doing stuff with dj Vadim's Jazz Fudge, with Japan people, why? ask him, i'm nearly sure he will tell you that it's easy t!
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o do hip hop in france, but it's really too hard to find good and well oriented artists...
>And, other stuff I can hunt for? Last time I was in
>Paris I stopped in at Fnac and picked up all I new
>about: MC Solaar, NTM, Les Sage Po, but was
>reluctant to try anything new--all looked to Gangsta
>style--though brobably better than Benny B;)
you're right again, Erik. i know solaar is probably the most popular french rapper outside france. and it was ok, cause the first productions of the guy were fat : nearly poetic lyrics, more politic and constructive than anarchist and contemplative, he was one of my best wishes for french hip hop, both industry and listeners. and money came in... jimmy jay and boom bass, the 2 guys under solaar sounds, starts some others things, lettin the poor mc hangin in so-called hype parties. the guy was the new gainsbourg, speakin' about words that were huge, i mean really good. and he falled in the bizness sad stuff. hangin with a beautiful no brain pseudo r'n'b-eurodance blond (with boobs that big, he started to show himself in the hype "haute couture" défilés (paco rabanne, jean paul gautier, etc..), more speakin of his new life and what he done by the past than what he would like to do of his future.
i was a big solaar fan, and i feel sad of these. after his 2 last more-than-bad lp's (with boombass, zdar but still no jimmy jay on the sounds), his contract with polygram ended very well. rumours said he done so bad stuff to finish quickly terms of his contract, to do new free artistic stuff. i wait for it, but i don't attempt some new good things anymore...
temi castro wrote
>June I'm French <two> and I take offence
>at some of your statements although I live
>outside France. I go back frequently enough
>to notice the evolution of the genre. France
>is the biggest market for Hip hop outside US
>and as a result Hip Hop has gone mainstream
>a la Puff Daddy. But some of the most banging
>tracks ever are in French. Especially if you
>appreciate the poetic Tribe-esque side of hip
>hop. Check the La Haine Soundtrack for some
>slamming joints. Even Solaar still has his
>moments (despite moving to Neuilly and
>hooking up with Orphelie Winter, a bit like Puff
>moving to the Hamptons and pairing up with
>Jennifer Lopez).
ok, temi, please tell me where is evolution. french hip hop exploded 5 or 6 years ago for people, but sales (and so, majors really began to take care of this potential market, empty at the time) really start to blow up what? 2, 3 years ago. what about since? if you can help me, i'll be glad of it. I used to work in a shop at the time, and i can tell you that i really try a lot of french productions. when i say french hip hop sucks, of course, there's still someone who are doing real good shit. but howmany? i spoke about solaar, and i'm down with you (ophelie, why not celine?...), but what i find in La Haine (chech this Vincent Kassovitz movie, B&W classic!) is, at his best, 2 or 3 tracks... nearly ok... the rest? hummm.
ralf wrote:
>To the queen who was speaking about french
>hip-hop - It does not suck! If it were not for
>MC Solaar and numerous others I would have
>never passed any of my french classes in school!
the queen send you kisses, Ralf, if you're not too afraid of guys (cause i'm male, sorry). and i think it's great if you got success cause of such (ex-)great artists as solaar & co. at the time, there was some good things, and i'm sure there's some others people like you who dig a better french thanks to our rap, the same way us french people learn more easily english with your rap, or press/comics, etc...
>Please give big ups for me to Roots Manuva!
yep, never enough! the guy is a great guy. respect. is there somebody who could help me on the discography of the man? thanks.
>This internet thing has the possiblity to change
>it all but really think about it, how many people
>do you know even have that much access to a
>computer? Not enough.
you're right.
>I say we use this avenue that we have here as
>a beginnning if you will. To discuss what country
>is better than the other is a waste because opinions
>are like assholes we all have 'em. Just let the music
>talk it does a pretty good job.
once again, i didn't wanna go into some wastin'times & energy (while there's so many records to listen to worldwide) when i send my previous email. just wanna tell people that french hip hop, at his best, don't deserve so many words ; they don't.
Elson wrote:
>>>how about a millenium poll? ouch! outta here...
>I dunno about you, but music sucks now as
>compared to how it was back in 1253.
for me, nothing is just as good as baléaricjazzhiphopdowntempo from the canaries in the 6th century, or drum'n'roll in madagascar, wayyyyy baaaack in the late 60' (1460, that's it).
calvin ho wrote:
>Without the RnB, we would not have had
>a big return to good hiphop.
maybe, but god how hard it is... "stop r'n'b killing hip hop!"
(hmm, already said, i guess...)
jim dier wrote:
>Rawkus still puts out hardstep DnB 12's as well,
>which is a lot more forward thinking than most
>hip hop labels, who can't seem to bother with
>a remix, unless its an import or bootleg.
i agree with jim on this topic. i don"t know what is supposed is this murdoch monster, but the fact is, if he gave away enough money for lettin rawkus doing stuff like rawkut, their dn'b inprint, or other rock/whatever projects, it's cool, no? arnaud, one of the big guys at rawkus, once said that they've got many support from their financial side for goinwherever they want. except, too, many motion pictures from our favorite hip hop nyc based label, as he said in the last issue of the briliant "vibrations", an excellent monthly pressbook from switzerland (in the same issue, december99, also an interview of john coltrane -from 66, very good-, some reports on fela's son, the good femi kuti, zend avesta -parisian house'd'n'b producer, and... Blackalicious, carl hancock, the label ubiquity, & many more... vibrations, vibrations@planet.ch )
erik g wrote:
>So, why do the Americans win all the awards
>in the MTV music awards?
yeah, i would like NTM instead puff daddy. arghhh, i'm dead.
i hope everybody will understand what it's all about.
"united we stand, divided we fall..."
peace and respect to y'all, people. have a nice week.
june
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thanks for your time & keep the vibe alive...
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39100 foucherans - france
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