Re: hip hop dying

From: Beau Young (bjy159@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Dec 06 2001 - 06:04:05 CET

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    Don't know if anybody has mentioned this but the saying as I've heard it
    over the years is "hip hop died when 2pac and Biggie died".

    anybody seen them t-shirts that say "oh my GOD... they killed HIP HOP!!!".

    Beau.

    >From: Lynne d Johnson <ldj00@earthlink.net>
    >To: ACIDJAZZ <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    >Subject: hip hop dying
    >Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:26:23 -0500
    >
    >have to say that although i too said hip hop was dying i didn't mean that
    >hip hop itself was dying but more or less hip hop as i once knew and loved
    >it was
    >
    >although there are a few good moments here and there
    >
    >there is still dilated peoples, mos def, madlib, the coup, de la soul, hi
    >tek and tabli kweli, blue black and asheru, divine styler, bahamidia,
    >medusa, and other cats like that
    >
    >and it is true that hip hop is so global...everywhere you go there is some
    >form of hip hop
    >only difference in other countries more than just the music element is
    >still
    >alive
    >dance, graf, and djing are important too
    >
    >the mc is not king everywhere else
    >
    >and truth be told, they love the jay z's, dmx's, ja rule's, et al, all
    >across the world
    >
    >
    >
    >From: Calvin Ho <chairmancal@atomicattack.com>
    >Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:36:24 +0800
    >To: <b.graff@lycos.com>, <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    >Subject: Re: Hiphop...dieing?
    >
    >
    >I agree. Though music today whether it'll be this hip hop thread or any
    >other music has matured in music production 20 fold. Even back in those
    >dinosaur period days of hiphop, tracks which were somewhat underground
    >ended
    >up in the top 40 anyway, especially in the UK. House and hiphop tracks like
    >Tyree Cooper, Stakker Humanoid, A Guy Called Gerald, Cookie Crew, Bomb Da
    >Bass, and Beats International (the list can go on) were doing tracks which
    >to me considered to be pioneering but remained on the commercial tip too,
    >and thinking back then it might be just coincidence that this happened or
    >is
    >it the unavoidable two sides of the coin in the music business, not having
    >one without the other?
    >
    >I wonder if we can start putting a collaborated list together of artists
    >who
    >are doing the "AJ theory" in hiphop.
    >
    >Calvin
    >
    >
    > >
    > > I'm going to have to fall in the middle of the "hip hop is/isn't dying"
    >issue.
    > > I think the growing influence (domination?) on culture and the way so
    >many
    > > artists across the globe are incorporating it is proof of its continued
    > > potency.
    > >
    > > On the other hand, rap has split into so many different segments that
    >it's a
    > > matter of time before somebody starts describing one of the branches as
    > > something independent of hip-hop. I think that is part of the
    >maturation that
    > > someone else spoke of. Also, the question of who or what is driving
    >the
    > > direction of rap remains open to interpretation.
    > >
    > > Additionally, I'm not sure if those of us who are in our late 20s and up
    >will
    > > ever feel the same attachment to today's artists as we do about those
    >from the
    > > golden age of the late 80s and early 90s. Times were different back
    >then and
    > > there weren't as many commercial pressures on artists as there are now.
    >So
    > > even though Jay-Z is an extremely gifted lyricist and Ludacris, Cash
    >Money and
    > > Nelly all have blazing beats, the fact that they're blatant about their
    > > commercialism makes some people want to deny them their props.
    > >
    > >
    > > ---
    > > B.Graff
    > > www.allthingsdeep.com
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    >

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