Don't know if anybody has mentioned this but the saying as I've heard it
over the years is "hip hop died when 2pac and Biggie died".
anybody seen them t-shirts that say "oh my GOD... they killed HIP HOP!!!".
Beau.
>From: Lynne d Johnson <ldj00@earthlink.net>
>To: ACIDJAZZ <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
>Subject: hip hop dying
>Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:26:23 -0500
>
>have to say that although i too said hip hop was dying i didn't mean that
>hip hop itself was dying but more or less hip hop as i once knew and loved
>it was
>
>although there are a few good moments here and there
>
>there is still dilated peoples, mos def, madlib, the coup, de la soul, hi
>tek and tabli kweli, blue black and asheru, divine styler, bahamidia,
>medusa, and other cats like that
>
>and it is true that hip hop is so global...everywhere you go there is some
>form of hip hop
>only difference in other countries more than just the music element is
>still
>alive
>dance, graf, and djing are important too
>
>the mc is not king everywhere else
>
>and truth be told, they love the jay z's, dmx's, ja rule's, et al, all
>across the world
>
>
>
>From: Calvin Ho <chairmancal@atomicattack.com>
>Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:36:24 +0800
>To: <b.graff@lycos.com>, <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
>Subject: Re: Hiphop...dieing?
>
>
>I agree. Though music today whether it'll be this hip hop thread or any
>other music has matured in music production 20 fold. Even back in those
>dinosaur period days of hiphop, tracks which were somewhat underground
>ended
>up in the top 40 anyway, especially in the UK. House and hiphop tracks like
>Tyree Cooper, Stakker Humanoid, A Guy Called Gerald, Cookie Crew, Bomb Da
>Bass, and Beats International (the list can go on) were doing tracks which
>to me considered to be pioneering but remained on the commercial tip too,
>and thinking back then it might be just coincidence that this happened or
>is
>it the unavoidable two sides of the coin in the music business, not having
>one without the other?
>
>I wonder if we can start putting a collaborated list together of artists
>who
>are doing the "AJ theory" in hiphop.
>
>Calvin
>
>
> >
> > I'm going to have to fall in the middle of the "hip hop is/isn't dying"
>issue.
> > I think the growing influence (domination?) on culture and the way so
>many
> > artists across the globe are incorporating it is proof of its continued
> > potency.
> >
> > On the other hand, rap has split into so many different segments that
>it's a
> > matter of time before somebody starts describing one of the branches as
> > something independent of hip-hop. I think that is part of the
>maturation that
> > someone else spoke of. Also, the question of who or what is driving
>the
> > direction of rap remains open to interpretation.
> >
> > Additionally, I'm not sure if those of us who are in our late 20s and up
>will
> > ever feel the same attachment to today's artists as we do about those
>from the
> > golden age of the late 80s and early 90s. Times were different back
>then and
> > there weren't as many commercial pressures on artists as there are now.
>So
> > even though Jay-Z is an extremely gifted lyricist and Ludacris, Cash
>Money and
> > Nelly all have blazing beats, the fact that they're blatant about their
> > commercialism makes some people want to deny them their props.
> >
> >
> > ---
> > B.Graff
> > www.allthingsdeep.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
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