Not wishing to harp on the hip hop theme, but here's a
little further clarification:
hip hop is a word that describes an essentially
African American street culture that developed in the
1970s and which compromises several distinct
components: djing (as in the rise of djs and artists
and technicians, rapping (as in speaking rhythmically
over a beat), breakdancing and graffiti writing
(although graffiti as an art form had been around for
some time previous). Out of this culture came a music,
also called hip hop, which itself may have distinct
styles. The separate components of hip hop culture can
be borrowed and used in other styles and forms - hence
rap (which I see as a musical method rather than a
musical style), can be found used in the most unlikely
(some would say unsuitable) places.
If anyone is curious about how to define musical
styles, I suggest they take a peek at artistdirect.com
and browse the many hundreds of genres they have
there, most of which come with a little definition
which may not always be 100% accurate, but is
interesting at any rate.
--- "Szirtes, Thomas" <SzirtesT@soe.sega.co.uk> wrote:
> I disagree my way of looking at it is like this:
>
> rap = is process of putting speech in a rhythmic
> sense over music
> hip-hop = is a musical style, typically between
> 70-100bpm, usually with
> syncopated bassdrum patterns.
>
> Therefore rap-music can cover any kind of rubbish -
> rap over pop/funk (ie.
> p. diddy/w. smith),
> rap over r&b or metal.
>
> Personally I love hip-hop - but for me Puff Daddy is
> not a hip-hop artist,
> simply because
> the music he raps over is not recognisably in the
> hip-hop genre. On the
> other hand Snopp Dogg and other Death Row or Dre
> productions are quite
> recognisably hip-hop.
>
> Anyway I agree with the discenting voices - I love
> hip-hop but this is an
> "Acid Jazz" list (whatever that means!).
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beau Young [mailto:bjy07@hotmail.com]
> Sent: 11 July 2001 06:53
> To: kgoodale@stic.net
> Cc: acid-jazz@ucsd.edu
> Subject: Re: hip hop top 10 / in my case
>
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> >From: "Keith Goodale" I was wondering what the
> >distinction is between hip hop and rap. I noticed
> that several artists fall
>
> >into both categories and I would like to know how
> to distinguish between
> the
> >two. Thanks for any information.
> >
>
> >Keith Goodale
>
>
>
> oooh, this is a good one. in my mind rap IS hip
> hop... rap is like a
> sub-genre of hip hop and also a sub-genre of funk
> and soul which are the
> main elements of "rap", production wise. Rap
> usually refers to hip hop with
> a more gangster feel to it. Hip hop (as mentioned
> so far in this group)
> tends to be more mental while rap is more often
> emotional, extremely funky
> and often violent or rude. Some quality rap artists
> include Scarface, Ice
> Cube, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, and Master P. The lyrics
> mostly focus on
> partying, women, smoking, drinking, money and street
> conflicts. The sound is
> heavy heavy funk and 60's, 70's soul music, oh and
> super heavy on the bass.
> This is not *at all* to say 'rap' music can not be
> mental... anyone who is
> familiar with scarface, earlier stuff by ice cube
> and early Outkast knows
> the two are compatible... .its just matter of what
> the individual hip hop
> artists has! been exposed to. Hope that helps some.
>
>
> Beau J Young
>
> >----- Original Message -----
>
> >From: Patrik Hamberg
> >To:
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 1:26 AM
> >Subject: hip hop top 10 / in my case
> >
> >
> >since I love lists and have been reading all of
> yours with great
> >pleasure the last couple of days, here's my hip hop
> top 10:
> >
> >1. Public Enemy "It takes a nation of millions to
> hold us back"
> >2. Beastie Boys "Check Your Head"
> >3. N.W.A. "Straight Outta Compton"
> >4. Dr Dre "The Chronic"
> >5. Wu-Tang Clan "36 Chambers"
> >6. Gang Starr "Moment of Truth"
> >7. Fugees "The Score"
> >8. De La Soul "...is Dead"
> >9. Ice Cube "The Predator"
> >0. 2Pac "All Eyeys on Me"
> >
> >And ten that could have made it to the top ten:
> >
> >Run DMC "Raising Hell"
> >A Tribe Called Quest "The Love Movement"
> >Jurassic 5 "LP"
> >Warren G "Regulate... G-Funk Era"
> >Mos Def "Black on Both Sides"
> >Missy Misdemeneaor Elliott "Supa Dupa Fly"
> >The Roots "Come Alive"
> >Common "Like Water for Chocolate"
> >Lil Kim "Notorious Kim"
> >MOP "Warriorz"
> >
> >In my CD case (24 slots):
> >
> >1. Case "Open Letter"
> >2. Ky-Mani Marley "Many More Roads"
> >3. Lil Mo "Based on a true story"
> >4. Empty
> >5. Empty
> >6. Empty
> >7. CMJ New Music May 2001
> >8. Empty
> >9. Empty
> >10. Empty
> >11. Empty
> >12. Empty
> >13. Empty
> >14. Empty
> >15. Fre "Välkommen till Fre"
> >16. The Barbwires "...Sounds Like Trouble"
> >17. The Peepshows "Tomorrow We Die... Today We
> Kill"
> >18. Ugly Duckling "Journey to Anywhere"
> >19. The Stooges "Fun House"
> >20. Michael Franti & Spearhead "Stay Human"
> >21. Urga "Urgasm"
> >22. Talib Kweli & Hi-Tek "Reflection Eternal"
> >23. Mos Def & Talib Kweli are Black Star
> >24. Fint Tillsammans "En Världsomsegling"
> >--
> >
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